Mr 24 still the best CB

Nnamdi playing for the raiders has nothing to do with him be accepted in the HOF

but im saying he'll have a better chance if he gets traded or signs with a new team. i mean the raiders play a soft schedule every year because they dont show any improvement. im not saying he couldnt get in as a raider, but he'll have a better chance if he goes to a better team

Well you say the raiders play a soft schedule every year...well back when they finished 2-14, about 3 seasons ago they had the hardest schedule that year.

And believe or not the raiders are improving...jamarcus finished strong last season, the o-line only gave up 7 or 8 sacks the last half of the season, I believe.....michael bush did some great running, and dmac did good whenever he wasn't hurt...chaz schiliens started the last two games and did great.....and the defense didn't play that bad neither......the raiders came together towards the end and showed they can play....they need to do that this season, and if they play good during the season, they stand a chance....in all my years as a raider fan, I never been this excited about this year.....hopefully chaz gets over his injury and comes back strong...he looked great towards the end of last season and during the preseason.

and looked what happened! 2-14? thats why they give you guys sucha soft schedule. because the nfl doesnt want to see the raiders fall flat. they are one of the nfl's most historic fanchises, and everyone would like to see them back to the promise land.i know i would. steelers vs. the raiders? EPIC

well if your coaches dont get their s*** together they raiders will fall flat again

The nfl doesn't want the raiders to fall, so they schedule them a easier schedule?....let me ask you something...who schedules the game in the nfl for every team? Because I am not buying into your last statement at all......

Raiders do suck man its not the players its the owner al davis messin everything up 4 dem I'm from cali and I know a lot of raiders fans they all say the same thing if al davis gives up control of the team 2 his son things will be a lot better al davis is still a old school guy he wants things done his way but his way hasn't been workin 4 awhile

Let's talk about your team's loser owner......he fires shanahan, and replaces him with mcdaniels.....that was foolish. I could careless about him running the pats offense..the fact is he will not duplicate the success over at denver..why? You guys have kyle orton who will probably flop. Sencond of yall's defense will still suck..instead of grabbing a defensive guy....you guys pick up moreno instead.....how many runningbacks do you need? I heard all this s*** about torain, and didn't y'all pick up buckhalter too? Come on now bruh.....brandon marshall don't want to play for your team, so if that happens, you guys are screwed.....eddie royal can't do it all. And not even scheffler..it will be a huge blow to your team if brandon marshall doesn't show up on sundays. You guys are in turmoil right now...and this season will prove everything i 've been saying for a while....I'm not the only one who believes oakland is the 2nd best in the afc west.....and don't even talk about our draft....oakland picked up dhb as a decoy cause the d will have to focus on him, or they will pay for it....giving attention to dhb on the field will open it up for chaz and zach millers to make plays...even higgins will get love too....watch real closely cause this season will be the season oakland shows the world they are future playoff contenders...who knows? We might do it this year...and I will be laughing at every raider hater.

not if al davis doesnt address that d-line situation

see sum of these ppl sayin s*** like if u were a QB, u would still throw at em.. haha aight so let me get this strait, if a WR was covered like a muthafucka by the best CB in the league, u would still throw it? u dont understand y ppl dont throw it his way.. they dont throw it his way cuz he has the WR locked up.. its not that they r scared he will make a play on the ball eventho he prolly would.. but the main reason they dont throw his way is cuz the WR IS COVERED!!!!! now tell me if u were a QB and u saw 1 on 1 wit any WR in the league and nnamdi and the WR was covered, would u still throw it his way and hope he dont pick it or at least even knock it down?

oh and ay don, they did get a defensive guy in the 1st round this year.. not the 1st pick but the 1st round.. they had 2 1st rounders cuz of the cutler deal but they got a DE named robert ayers from tennessee

BIG HUNGRY 702 wrote:

i'd recomend that this thread gets shut down.
this will go on forever, just like ketcham said, 1a 1b. both will be H.O.F. players but Nnamdi (i think i spelt it wrong) wont get in until he gets traded or signs with a new team. the raiders arent going anywhere anytime soon.

what bout barry sanders? barry sanders is 1 of the best RBs of all time and he played for one of the worst teams in history.. they didnt make the playoffs once when he was on the team if im not mistakin.. so team really doesnt matter when it comes to HOF.. HOF is for SINGLE PLAYERS.. has nothin to do wit superbowl rings or good teams.. its that one persons performance

Marshall will b there dogg his still on his rookie contract he can't afored not 2 play his not jay cutler he don't really make that much thats why he want more it not the coach he dosnt want 2 play 4 wat wr dosnt want 2 play for a pass first coach why did we pick up moreno cause his a hb that can catch dude we got WR and TE 4 days man jus it r D that I hope will step up

Dieon,rod and charles woodson,darrell green,champ bailey.what do they all have in common thats right they shut players down and the ball dont get thrown they way but they still catch picks.like i said no one throws the ball ASO way hes #1 in that category but al harris has to be top 3-4.they can shut down but they are notplay makers like these guys.these guys takes chances and succeed just as mush if not more than ASO.

Once again ill take 7picks 2 tds and 2 tds allowed over 1 pick and no tds allowed any time if you say any different your just a FanBoy.

A Packering Ape wrote:

Dieon,rod and charles woodson,darrell green,champ bailey.what do they all have in common thats right they shut players down and the ball dont get thrown they way but they still catch picks.like i said no one throws the ball ASO way hes #1 in that category but al harris has to be top 3-4.they can shut down but they are notplay makers like these guys.these guys takes chances and succeed just as mush if not more than ASO.

Once again ill take 7picks 2 tds and 2 tds allowed over 1 pick and no tds allowed any time if you say any different your just a FanBoy.

dude i dont think you understand how much sense you didnt make rite now. your first post says how nnamdi isnt really that good but al harris is and and they both have similar stats.while ur tellin us not to be fanboys your ridin al harris hella hard rite now bruh. like rob said this argument is gettin real dumb real quick

and y is al harris bein brought into the "champ vs nnamdi" arguement.. al harris isnt on the level of either one of em.. dont get me wrong hes a really good CB but he isnt on either of their levels yet..

I said this b4 and i will say it again Champ is the best and when he retires, will be the best to ever play the position. Former and current teammates from the Redskins and the Broncos said what makes Champ the best is that he understands route running and that the rest of the CB's in the league doesnt understand route running because he practices at receiver in practice like he did at Georgia and is a emergency receiver if there are to many injuries at that position. His teammates and former teammates also say that 95% of the time Champ knows what route the receiver is going to run b4 they complete the route because receiver's bluffs and he see's the bluff and jumps the route b4 the receiver can get there proving why he gets so many INT's with QB's hardly throwing to his side. 8 probowls in 10 yrs and is an all around corner, Nnamdi is just a man corner, i guarentee if you put him in cover 3 zone, cover 2, or a cover 4 zone he would be average, Champ is great at everything whether its man or zone, i rest my case.

Well said maddenking well said

Maddenking.....you must be for real ok...you talk about nnamdi would be average playing zone? Playing man is much harder then zone.....why do I say that....you have a real big chance at getting torched constantly playing man versus zone.......I promise you if champ played 100 percent man, he wouldn't be that good at all......its bad enough he gets burned on zone defense...lol....and you talk about the stats....stats don't bare the truth about qb's fearing nnamdi....stats don't mean squat when you have coaches in the league, and former corners and safeties say that nnamdi is the best point blank...and on top of that nnamdi had to learn to play corner, and he's colorblind too....champ was a corner in college...nnamdi was a safety..... switching from safety to corner would be difficult for others..but not nnamdi. He is a true beast, and a true corner...and a true corner plays man to man........nobody can't do it like nnamdi...and that's the way it will be, whether you like it or not. You can say whatever, but if we did a poll or anything, I promise you nnamdi wins that too.....

a packering ape wrote: Dieon,rod and charles woodson,darrell green,champ bailey.what do they all have in common thats right they shut players down and the ball dont get thrown they way but they still catch picks.like i said no one throws the ball ASO way hes #1 in that category but al harris has to be top 3-4.they can shut down but they are notplay makers like these guys.these guys takes chances and succeed just as mush if not more than ASO.

Once again ill take 7picks 2 tds and 2 tds allowed over 1 pick and no tds allowed any time if you say any different your just a FanBoy.


You brought up the stats, but Nnamdi made the probowl regardless of his stats. WHY??? Because he is a monster....And REAL FOOTBALL FANS, PLAYERS, and COACHES recognize Nnamdi's skills....Now you say, you will take 7 picks and 2 tds over 1 pick and no td's allowed....CONGRATS, those two TD's that your guy gave up, probably costed their team a victory....And any defensive guy will tell you, they hate being scored on, and corners don't love it. I remember a while back when they asked champ bailey whats is more important to him when he's on the field...And he said not letting anybody score a TD on him......So those 7 picks you mentioned don't mean squat, cause the fact is your guy gave up 2 TD's........I'm no fanboy, i'll give you that title....I'm a real fan who knows my football....BOTTOM LINE....

smdh nnamdi cant lock up andre johnson iv'e seen it with my own two eyes nnamdi got beat by like 10 yrds he got burned andre was open the entire game its just are qb was trippin and didnt throw it to him they play this up comeing season and ya'll will see nnamdi get burned october 4th is when they play and you'll see who the truth is

i clearly wrote Al Harris had 0 picks and made the pro bowl for the same reason why ASO did i never said he wasnt good hes just and Al Harris-Chris Gamble type guy and ill take the Charles woodson-Asante Samuel-Champ bailey guys over them any time.Charles woodson probably wouldnt have giver up a td if he didnt take risk.Marques Colston scored a 50-60 yrd td on him because he thought he was about to jump a drew brees pass.i respect Lockdown guys alot but risk takers are just better.

and wtf Al is not in the same category as them are you kidding he allowed 1 td from the game i watched only because Andre johnson pushed off.before ESPN hoped on aso dick players were ask whos is the best corner.most of them said Al harris. before you ask it was in an Espn the magazine article on al harris.

Well packering ape, if you want the risk takers that get picks, but also give up td's, that's you..I want a guy that scares qb's, locks down other team's receivers, and doesn't give up td's..like I said a corner that gets burned for a touchdown, that touchdown he allowed might cost the team, and they could lose for that....I don't want that to happen.....nnamdi is a guy that I want playing for me team...and I'm glad he's a raider

TheDon270 wrote:

Maddenking.....you must be for real ok...you talk about nnamdi would be average playing zone? Playing man is much harder then zone.....why do I say that....you have a real big chance at getting torched constantly playing man versus zone.......I promise you if champ played 100 percent man, he wouldn't be that good at all......its bad enough he gets burned on zone defense...lol....and you talk about the stats....stats don't bare the truth about qb's fearing nnamdi....stats don't mean squat when you have coaches in the league, and former corners and safeties say that nnamdi is the best point blank...and on top of that nnamdi had to learn to play corner, and he's colorblind too....champ was a corner in college...nnamdi was a safety..... switching from safety to corner would be difficult for others..but not nnamdi. He is a true beast, and a true corner...and a true corner plays man to man........nobody can't do it like nnamdi...and that's the way it will be, whether you like it or not. You can say whatever, but if we did a poll or anything, I promise you nnamdi wins that too.....

First off Champ dont get burned like the way you make Nnamdi is not perfect. ppl making it seem that it is impossible to throw on this man when ive seen him get caught on 10+ yds down the field. Ive played football since i was 7, i have an uncle who played for the Packers, and i played college ball with Tarvaris Jackson at Alabama State, (GO HORNETS) so i know football beyond playing a video gm, ima break it down for you, you have 4types of corners and if you ask AN NFL COACH THEY WILL TELL YOU, there are man corners, zone corners, cover 2 corners, and all around corners, Nnamdi is a man corner, if you put him in zone or cover 2 he would be average, Ronde Barber is a cover 2 corner, if you put him in zone or man he would be average, DeAangelo Hall is a zone corner, was great in Atlanta playing zone, sucked in Oakland playing man and is great again in Washington (WHEN THEY PLAY ZONE)
AND Champ is an all aorund corner, played man 90% of the time in Washington cause they had Deion Sanders, Darrell Green and Fred Smoot when he was there, and went to the Broncos where they mix it up and play everything and he still shuts ppl down AND PUT UP NUMBERS, Nnamdi is good but not great like Champ and just because you are great at man defense doesnt mean its a automatic that you will be great in zone or cover2 asked any corner in college or the NFL and they will tell you its a different animal.

Once again well said maddenking thedon270 is on his jock cause his a raider fan I'm a broncos fan but I like champ b4 the broncos jus love the way he play CB he takes chances and reads routs and gets there b4 the WR does his jus a beast