Whos better Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?

Who do yall think is better? I think Peyton is better of course lol

i think Peyton is smarter, Brady has the better mechanics.

but when i need someone to make a game winning drive, im going to Peyton. like if was starting a brand new team, and i was going to get ONLY average players except for my QB.... i'd pick Peyton over Brady all day. if i had super fast, i mean SUPER fast WRs, id go with Brady, cuz he can air that mother fucker out...

but Peyton is like an Army General out on the field... thats the man you want on your team when you go to war.

peyton by far is better than brady he is alot smarter and more accurate

Peyton all day. everyone always looks at Brady's 3 rings, but they always forget who the real maker of those SB victories are...... Adam fuckin Vinatieri. clutchest kicker around. he's the best screw the rest, and so is Peyton

why another "who's better" thread?

payton is all day cuz one he hasent missed 1 gm and he smr.clutch and brady is good to but manning is just pure payton lol get it

you all saying peyton i gotta go with brady. but it depends on the supporting cast. remember when all brady has was troy brown to throw to? he still won a superbowl. and peyton had marvin and reggie and couldnt beat the patriots. brady does good no matter who is around him. peyton has always had a top 5 supporting cast to throw too

sorry to say but peyton annoys the SHYT outta me! imma have to go it tommy on this one. he came out of nowhere and they r already puttin him up there wit the best QBs of all time. they arent sayin all that bout peyton r they?????

CJDAWGG14 wrote:

Peyton all day. everyone always looks at Brady's 3 rings, but they always forget who the real maker of those SB victories are...... Adam fuckin Vinatieri. clutchest kicker around. he's the best screw the rest, and so is Peyton

UMMM CJ who set the game up so adam had a chance to make the game winning fg???

BRADY

[FAMB] beeman999 wrote:

you all saying peyton i gotta go with brady. but it depends on the supporting cast. remember when all brady has was troy brown to throw to? he still won a superbowl. and peyton had marvin and reggie and couldnt beat the patriots. brady does good no matter who is around him. peyton has always had a top 5 supporting cast to throw too

EXACTLY brady never had those top notch wrs or rbs and when he did they went 16-0
peyton always had a 1st round pick to help him

marvin harrison
reggie wayne
dallas clark
anthony gonzales
joesph addai

is this in regards to madden or real life???

cus its in the madden general talk section

its brady and this conversation is really just like a bird vs magic convo that will never go away.. everyone is gona stick to their opinion no matter what anyone says.. obviously i like brady better and i have a million reasons i would point out but its not worth it, no one will change their mind.. everyone either hates brady more or hates peyton more..

dAtBa11HaWk wrote:

sorry to say but peyton annoys the SHYT outta me! imma have to go it tommy on this one. he came out of nowhere and they r already puttin him up there wit the best QBs of all time. they arent sayin all that bout peyton r they?????

are u dumb? of course ppl r sayin peyton is one of the best QBs of all time

Dannys559a wrote:

[FAMB] beeman999 wrote:

you all saying peyton i gotta go with brady. but it depends on the supporting cast. remember when all brady has was troy brown to throw to? he still won a superbowl. and peyton had marvin and reggie and couldnt beat the patriots. brady does good no matter who is around him. peyton has always had a top 5 supporting cast to throw too

EXACTLY brady never had those top notch wrs or rbs and when he did they went 16-0
peyton always had a 1st round pick to help him

marvin harrison
reggie wayne
dallas clark
anthony gonzales
joesph addai

But what yall r not talkin about is that Brady has always had a top 5 D and Peyton hasnt. The one time that Peyton's D stepped up they one the superbowl. If Brady had Peyton's D i dont even know if he would have won a superbowl but if Peyton had Brady's D Peyton would have one like 6 rings

ok, heres how you determine who's actually better. Go thru the stats of when they played the SAME teams. This eliminates all the wins and crap they have, and this is to know who's TRULY the better QB. screw the WR's they have, jus look thru these stats, cuz when they play against each other, its 2 different defenses goin at each other.

Brady, when he has to get the job done in big games he does. Plain and simple.

both good QBs but i have to give the edge to brady. hes got the rings and has always had a sorrier recieving core then manning up until he got moss

I have quite a bit of experience debating this topic, so here's my $0.02

The short answer is, Peyton is better.

Now for the long answer. I will put this together as a list so that when people respond, it makes it easier to refer to which point you think I'm wrong about.

1. If Brady couldn't get it done with the 2007 Patriots, then he's not the best of all time. That team was stacked with talent and blessed with one of the easiest schedules in history.

2. Manning's 2004 season was more impressive than Brady's '07 season.
Manning had far fewer attempts, and played in fewer games. When the
Colts blew people out in '04, Manning went to the bench. When the
Patriots blew people out in '07, Brady threw at least one more deep TD
for good measure, and because Belichick was pissed at the NFL.
Manning's Passer Rating was better, and his TD% was better. He also had far, FAR worse defense, thus worse starting field position.

3. Due to my opinion in point 2, Manning at his best is better than
Brady at his best. That's how I think you should look at any sports
comparison. Mike Tyson lost to Lennox Lewis, but Tyson at his BEST, is
better than Lewis at his best.

4. Peyton is more valuable to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots.
This one is pretty non-negotiable, since we've seen the Pats go 11-5
with a QB that hadn't needed to wash his friggin' jersey since high
school.

5. Almost all of Brady's statistics before 2008 are skewed because of
cheating. If you have one single unfair advantage over your opponents,
then how are we supposed to know what you're really worth? Every screen
pass that Brady has ever thrown is severely tainted, and any time a
play was CHANGED at the line TO A SCREEN PASS, I have to consider that
cheating was involved. If you're a fan of a team that plays the
Patriots, then you know what it's like to see them burn your blitz with
a screen audible. Luckily, the Colts never blitz. If you're a Steelers fan, and you've ever see Brady burn you with a Screen check, then you've been cheated.

6. Brady was a flat out average QB for their first 2 Super Bowl runs,
and a good QB for their 3rd. He has only been a "Great QB" one season,
and that's 2007. In 2001, and 2003, he was along for the ride like
Trent Dilfer was in 2000.

7. Brady played the easiest schedule in the NFL for 3 straight years. Weakest divisional opponents and weakest NFC schedule.

8. Peyton has a better lifetime completion percentage and a lower
lifetime sack percentage. Think about what that means. Brady throws
more incomplete passes, but is sacked more anyway. Peyton is not good
at throwing the ball away to avoid the sack, he's good at throwing
completed passes before he's touched.

9. Any team in history would be made better if Peyton was the
quarterback. That's not to say that Brady would make teams worse, but
if you put Peyton on the '07 Patriots, there's no way they'd lose a
game. If you put Peyton on the Patriots from 1999-2009, there's no telling how many Super Bowls they would have won.

10. Brady has played with a far better defense his entire career. His
starting field position is regularly better, and his defense forces
more turnovers.The Colts' defense only started to become average in
2005 and has been very up and down since. If you're old enough to have
seen Peyton play back in 1998-2004, you know how bad it was. We had to
score 40 a game just to be in a position to win at the end.

11. Brady fumbled in the 2001 AFCCG. That should've been the game.
Anyone on this forum would watch that play and call it a fumble. The
NFL had to clarify the rule because of this play. Had this been called
correctly, Brady would have been just as much of a failure as Tony Romo
in 2006, and he may have never even started again for the Patriots. His career was jumpstarted by a botched call.

12. In similar fashion, the Patriots' secondary was instructed to hold
the Colts' receivers in the 2004 AFCCG because there was snow on the
ground, and it's too hard to DB's to track routes of WR's with poor
footing. Again, the NFL was forced to amend the rule because it was
apparent the Pats had an unfair advantage in yet another AFCCG.

13. Every Super Bowl the Patriots won could not have been done without
Adamn Vinatieri. Brady put them in position to win, but the kicker had
to convert. Brady is 0-1 in Super Bowls without Vinatieri.

14. Brady has been "crowned" prematurely. He won 3 Super Bowls, and had
a great 2007 season. That's it. Why not Bradshaw, who won 4? Why not
Montana, who won 4? If Brady had put up Peyton-like numbers for 5 years
or more, AND won a Super Bowl, then there's no argument. He's put up
the numbers ONCE, and he failed in the Super Bowl that year.

15. Look at how much different Tom Brady's career would be without Adamn Vinatieri. He still hasn't won a Super Bowl without him, and every one of his 3 rings wouldn't have been won without AV making clutch field goals. Manning, on the other hand, had "Mr. Choke" Mike Vanderjagt who missed the FG in the '05 AFC Divisional Playoff and cost the Colts their season.

16. Isn't it strange that this is such a hot debate when one of the two QB's in question has 3 Super Bowl wins? Even if you're on Brady's side, don't you get the feeling that Peyton is a pretty DAMN good QB if he has this many people arguing on HIS side, despite the fact that Brady has 3 Super Bowls? My point is this- If Manning had 3 Super Bowl wins, then this isn't even a debate. EVERYONE would say Peyton is better in that case, even though they'd be TIED in that category. To me, that's the clincher. Brady has played for a better team, and he has had more post season success with that team. That does NOT make him the better quarterback. It's kind of like saying that Bob Cousy is a better guard in basketball than Chris Paul because Cousy won 6 championships and CP3 hasn't won any. Sorry, that's not how the world works. Would you ever say that Tedy Bruschi is a better linebacker than Brian Urlacher because he has won more championships?

17. The Patriots cheated.

im with u pig benis

PIG BENIS wrote:

I have quite a bit of experience debating this topic, so here's my $0.02

The short answer is, Peyton is better.

Now for the long answer. I will put this together as a list so that when people respond, it makes it easier to refer to which point you think I'm wrong about.

1. If Brady couldn't get it done with the 2007 Patriots, then he's not the best of all time. That team was stacked with talent and blessed with one of the easiest schedules in history.

2. Manning's 2004 season was more impressive than Brady's '07 season.
Manning had far fewer attempts, and played in fewer games. When the
Colts blew people out in '04, Manning went to the bench. When the
Patriots blew people out in '07, Brady threw at least one more deep TD
for good measure, and because Belichick was pissed at the NFL.
Manning's Passer Rating was better, and his TD% was better. He also had far, FAR worse defense, thus worse starting field position.

3. Due to my opinion in point 2, Manning at his best is better than
Brady at his best. That's how I think you should look at any sports
comparison. Mike Tyson lost to Lennox Lewis, but Tyson at his BEST, is
better than Lewis at his best.

4. Peyton is more valuable to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots.
This one is pretty non-negotiable, since we've seen the Pats go 11-5
with a QB that hadn't needed to wash his friggin' jersey since high
school.

5. Almost all of Brady's statistics before 2008 are skewed because of
cheating. If you have one single unfair advantage over your opponents,
then how are we supposed to know what you're really worth? Every screen
pass that Brady has ever thrown is severely tainted, and any time a
play was CHANGED at the line TO A SCREEN PASS, I have to consider that
cheating was involved. If you're a fan of a team that plays the
Patriots, then you know what it's like to see them burn your blitz with
a screen audible. Luckily, the Colts never blitz. If you're a Steelers fan, and you've ever see Brady burn you with a Screen check, then you've been cheated.

6. Brady was a flat out average QB for their first 2 Super Bowl runs,
and a good QB for their 3rd. He has only been a "Great QB" one season,
and that's 2007. In 2001, and 2003, he was along for the ride like
Trent Dilfer was in 2000.

7. Brady played the easiest schedule in the NFL for 3 straight years. Weakest divisional opponents and weakest NFC schedule.

8. Peyton has a better lifetime completion percentage and a lower
lifetime sack percentage. Think about what that means. Brady throws
more incomplete passes, but is sacked more anyway. Peyton is not good
at throwing the ball away to avoid the sack, he's good at throwing
completed passes before he's touched.

9. Any team in history would be made better if Peyton was the
quarterback. That's not to say that Brady would make teams worse, but
if you put Peyton on the '07 Patriots, there's no way they'd lose a
game. If you put Peyton on the Patriots from 1999-2009, there's no telling how many Super Bowls they would have won.

10. Brady has played with a far better defense his entire career. His
starting field position is regularly better, and his defense forces
more turnovers.The Colts' defense only started to become average in
2005 and has been very up and down since. If you're old enough to have
seen Peyton play back in 1998-2004, you know how bad it was. We had to
score 40 a game just to be in a position to win at the end.

11. Brady fumbled in the 2001 AFCCG. That should've been the game.
Anyone on this forum would watch that play and call it a fumble. The
NFL had to clarify the rule because of this play. Had this been called
correctly, Brady would have been just as much of a failure as Tony Romo
in 2006, and he may have never even started again for the Patriots. His career was jumpstarted by a botched call.

12. In similar fashion, the Patriots' secondary was instructed to hold
the Colts' receivers in the 2004 AFCCG because there was snow on the
ground, and it's too hard to DB's to track routes of WR's with poor
footing. Again, the NFL was forced to amend the rule because it was
apparent the Pats had an unfair advantage in yet another AFCCG.

13. Every Super Bowl the Patriots won could not have been done without
Adamn Vinatieri. Brady put them in position to win, but the kicker had
to convert. Brady is 0-1 in Super Bowls without Vinatieri.

14. Brady has been "crowned" prematurely. He won 3 Super Bowls, and had
a great 2007 season. That's it. Why not Bradshaw, who won 4? Why not
Montana, who won 4? If Brady had put up Peyton-like numbers for 5 years
or more, AND won a Super Bowl, then there's no argument. He's put up
the numbers ONCE, and he failed in the Super Bowl that year.

15. Look at how much different Tom Brady's career would be without Adamn Vinatieri. He still hasn't won a Super Bowl without him, and every one of his 3 rings wouldn't have been won without AV making clutch field goals. Manning, on the other hand, had "Mr. Choke" Mike Vanderjagt who missed the FG in the '05 AFC Divisional Playoff and cost the Colts their season.

16. Isn't it strange that this is such a hot debate when one of the two QB's in question has 3 Super Bowl wins? Even if you're on Brady's side, don't you get the feeling that Peyton is a pretty DAMN good QB if he has this many people arguing on HIS side, despite the fact that Brady has 3 Super Bowls? My point is this- If Manning had 3 Super Bowl wins, then this isn't even a debate. EVERYONE would say Peyton is better in that case, even though they'd be TIED in that category. To me, that's the clincher. Brady has played for a better team, and he has had more post season success with that team. That does NOT make him the better quarterback. It's kind of like saying that Bob Cousy is a better guard in basketball than Chris Paul because Cousy won 6 championships and CP3 hasn't won any. Sorry, that's not how the world works. Would you ever say that Tedy Bruschi is a better linebacker than Brian Urlacher because he has won more championships?

17. The Patriots cheated.

ok all ive read is #1 and u are completely wrong. we had the easy schedule in 08 not 07.. now ill keep reading and edit as i go.. as i can see right now #17 the patriots cheated um if it was ur team u would be just like me and say if u aint cheating u aint trying cuz the only thing diferent from the pats and everyother team is that we got caught.. there have been a number of people who have worked with other teams and said that every team was video taping not just the pats... so when was the last time that someone brought up TD% um probably someone that is searching for an argument cuz ive never heard this come up in an argument.. i have heard of completion % coming up in arguments but u dont wana bring that up cuz brady threw almost 100 more passes and had a better %age... to say because we went 11-5 without brady that makes him not that valuable is garbage! If brady had played last season we probably would have been in the superbowl.. a 5 game fall off from the previous year when he was playing is HUGE! doesnt matter if it went from 16-0 to 11-5 or 12-4 to 7-9... a 5 game fall off means that ur pretty frickin valuable to ur team! how are u just all of a sudden gona say every screen pass is tainted, thats been the pats game for as long as i remember, ur just throwing ish out that u dont even know for a fact now.. ur opinion is not an argument for facts about who is better between brady and manning... if u wana call brady trent dilfer then u should be doin the same to joe montana cuz he made himself the best qb of all time doing exactly what brady did his first two seasons starting.. he was a winner and when the game came down to the end of the game he lead them to the game winning drive.. last time i remember brady has quite a few game winning drives in meaningful playoff and superbowl games.. trent dilfer never did that so u can get rid of that statement unless u wana be seen as a f'ing idiot!! our schedule always looks weaker because we are just too good for our divison.. they arent full of garbage teams every year but it looks weaker at the end cuz we deliver 6 losses to our division.. and we cant have had the weakest nfc schedule for 3 years straight when weve only played the nfc west once and that was last year and they have undoubtedly been the worst division in football for the past 4 or 5 years... incompletions, ok so brady has more incompletions maybe thats due to having no wrs except troy brown yea and u would probably ask who he is cuz hes not a big name wr that peyton has had every year of his career in marvin harrison or reggie wayne... theres probably a lot more drops on bradys wrs hands then peytons for his career.. when u say peyton makes any team better and brady doesnt its another opinion, lets stick to facts if u really want to argue this cuz i think either one of them makes every team much better and i can make a better argument for brady cuz hes always thrown 30+ tds a season with no star wr until moss arrived.. just an opinion tho so throw that out... i do agree that brady had a far better defence over his career then peyton thats obvious so u get that argument... go look at the rulebook the tuck rule stands it is still called the exact same as it was in 2001! they looked at it and said it stands, the refs made the call cuz that was the RULE!! they follow the RULE BOOK unlike anyone else would becuz they hate brady and the pats now.. the RULE BOOK would still call that an incomplete pass!! the holding the colts wrs for a second longer then normal was smart by belichick and the coaching staff.. it was and yea they did just tell refs to reinforce holding on DBs the next year but you know what it was just smart coaching by the way the refs were calling games back then.. so what if brady is 0-1 without vinatieri in superbowls, u wana argue that then ill tell u peyton has never been to a superbowl without vinatieri haha what a joke of an argument!!! ur talkin peyton like numbers if brady put them up for 5 years.. what is peyton #s he has only thrown 49 tds once brady threw 50 once... thats like me saying peyton cant be on bradys level unless he put up "brady #s" once lol give me a break, peytons #s are not that much better then bradys year in and year out! on the next argument u repeat urself about vinatieri, u just are makin up numbers and repeating urself now.. we get it brady hasnt won a championship without the most clutch kicker of all time well guess what like i said earlier neither has peyton end of that discussion! and ur makin a void point with the bruschi vs urlacher argument... bruschi has been a good playmaker on a good defence he doesnt have half the talent that urlacher has.. this is such a hot discussion cuz brady and manning are close to eachother talent wise they are the two best players at the most important position in all of sports.. and ill say it just like i said at the beginning cuz i jus saw ur cheating remark... if this was ur team and not mine you would be saying if u aint cheating u aint trying!!! LETS GO PATS, brady will win the superbowl this year for good meassure in t his argument!!!

I wonder who i would choose....

*Points to profile*

peyton manning is better because of his experience

KidProDiiGy wrote:

peyton manning is better because of his experience

that makes no sense! brady has more experience hes been to 4 superbowls, won 3 and lost one..

BOSTN BEANER wrote:

KidProDiiGy wrote:

peyton manning is better because of his experience

that makes no sense! brady has more experience hes been to 4 superbowls, won 3 and lost one..

peyton has started more games than brady

BOSTN BEANER wrote:

ok all ive read is #1 and u are completely wrong. we had the easy schedule in 08 not 07.. now ill keep reading and edit as i go.. as i can see right now #17 the patriots cheated um if it was ur team u would be just like me and say if u aint cheating u aint trying cuz the only thing diferent from the pats and everyother team is that we got caught.. there have been a number of people who have worked with other teams and said that every team was video taping not just the pats... so when was the last time that someone brought up TD% um probably someone that is searching for an argument cuz ive never heard this come up in an argument.. i have heard of completion % coming up in arguments but u dont wana bring that up cuz brady threw almost 100 more passes and had a better %age... to say because we went 11-5 without brady that makes him not that valuable is garbage! If brady had played last season we probably would have been in the superbowl.. a 5 game fall off from the previous year when he was playing is HUGE! doesnt matter if it went from 16-0 to 11-5 or 12-4 to 7-9... a 5 game fall off means that ur pretty frickin valuable to ur team! how are u just all of a sudden gona say every screen pass is tainted, thats been the pats game for as long as i remember, ur just throwing ish out that u dont even know for a fact now.. ur opinion is not an argument for facts about who is better between brady and manning... if u wana call brady trent dilfer then u should be doin the same to joe montana cuz he made himself the best qb of all time doing exactly what brady did his first two seasons starting.. he was a winner and when the game came down to the end of the game he lead them to the game winning drive.. last time i remember brady has quite a few game winning drives in meaningful playoff and superbowl games.. trent dilfer never did that so u can get rid of that statement unless u wana be seen as a f'ing idiot!! our schedule always looks weaker because we are just too good for our divison.. they arent full of garbage teams every year but it looks weaker at the end cuz we deliver 6 losses to our division.. and we cant have had the weakest nfc schedule for 3 years straight when weve only played the nfc west once and that was last year and they have undoubtedly been the worst division in football for the past 4 or 5 years... incompletions, ok so brady has more incompletions maybe thats due to having no wrs except troy brown yea and u would probably ask who he is cuz hes not a big name wr that peyton has had every year of his career in marvin harrison or reggie wayne... theres probably a lot more drops on bradys wrs hands then peytons for his career.. when u say peyton makes any team better and brady doesnt its another opinion, lets stick to facts if u really want to argue this cuz i think either one of them makes every team much better and i can make a better argument for brady cuz hes always thrown 30+ tds a season with no star wr until moss arrived.. just an opinion tho so throw that out... i do agree that brady had a far better defence over his career then peyton thats obvious so u get that argument... go look at the rulebook the tuck rule stands it is still called the exact same as it was in 2001! they looked at it and said it stands, the refs made the call cuz that was the RULE!! they follow the RULE BOOK unlike anyone else would becuz they hate brady and the pats now.. the RULE BOOK would still call that an incomplete pass!! the holding the colts wrs for a second longer then normal was smart by belichick and the coaching staff.. it was and yea they did just tell refs to reinforce holding on DBs the next year but you know what it was just smart coaching by the way the refs were calling games back then.. so what if brady is 0-1 without vinatieri in superbowls, u wana argue that then ill tell u peyton has never been to a superbowl without vinatieri haha what a joke of an argument!!! ur talkin peyton like numbers if brady put them up for 5 years.. what is peyton #s he has only thrown 49 tds once brady threw 50 once... thats like me saying peyton cant be on bradys level unless he put up "brady #s" once lol give me a break, peytons #s are not that much better then bradys year in and year out! on the next argument u repeat urself about vinatieri, u just are makin up numbers and repeating urself now.. we get it brady hasnt won a championship without the most clutch kicker of all time well guess what like i said earlier neither has peyton end of that discussion! and ur makin a void point with the bruschi vs urlacher argument... bruschi has been a good playmaker on a good defence he doesnt have half the talent that urlacher has.. this is such a hot discussion cuz brady and manning are close to eachother talent wise they are the two best players at the most important position in all of sports.. and ill say it just like i said at the beginning cuz i jus saw ur cheating remark... if this was ur team and not mine you would be saying if u aint cheating u aint trying!!! LETS GO PATS, brady will win the superbowl this year for good meassure in t his argument!!!

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