Madden Wishlist Please Listen to my Ideas Madden Programmers

how would we have complete controll of the QB how would we be able to throw it wherever we want? explain this QB vision thing too.

everything u want is making the game easier and taking it out of the players hands and more control to the AI. lol also can u please stop comparing madden to blitz, different games designed for different ppl u definitely seem to be the arcade guy that wants to play blitz so play it.

when i gave u the example i was just trying to show u that if u brought the house u can stop it without much thinking. the real way to stop off tackle is to contain the LB and spy the DE or LB on the weak side. the contains pushes the offtackle inside and the spy pulls away from the blocking linemen and recover from the weak side and since the RB is being pushed back inside he usually runs right into the spy LB. u still have decent coverage across the board and can contain the off tackle. this is the advanced way of stopping it, ur really only blitzing 5 with everyone else in coverage which i don't think is unreasonable. when i said i can blitz everyone to stop it i wanted to understand that it's not unstoppable which we've established. a bad defensive coordinator would blitz everyone, a smart one would figure out a way to contain it without giving too much away in coverage. this is generally the difference between good and bad madden players.

i'm not sure how ur playing the game but if ur using some dominate linemen they do make a play on occcassion. ngata gets off his block and takes down the off tackle for a loss if ur running at him a couple times a game. and i'm sure we've all seen ray ray side step a block when u expect him to be blocked. this is wat ur asking for? superstar players to make plays once in a while. this happens in the game lol. my off tackle stats normally look something along the lines of 3, 4, -1, 12, 0, 3, 5, 8 ,-1. averages out to around 4 or 5 a carry. if u dont see it happen then u havent played the game long enough. the reason off tackle is great because it is the most consistent at getting positive yards without getting hit the backfield. same reason FD dive was effective. the RB gets the ball 2 yrds back instead of 5.

btw one example of making the game harder doesn't change the rest of ur ideas. at the same time if u havent noticed the reason u want the QB vision is that it will make the game EASIER on defense so u can see where he's going to throw to and try to pick it of instead of learning to read routes and learning the offensive players tendencies. yes this would make the game harder for the offense but the reason u want it in the game is to make it EASIER on defense.

and nooooo we don't want anything close to the same thing. u want the computer to make adjustments and plays to stop the run when u make a bad play call, you want the computer to throw ur ball away when you make a bad throw into triple coverage, you want the computer to show you the direction that the pass will be headed in so u can cover it. i want to be able to control and make adjustements to stop the run on my own, i want the ball to go where i throw it even if it is in triple coverage because i might be going for a end of the half 75 yrd hail mary to moss and i deserve an INT if i make a bad read just like a real QB, and i want the ability to play the FS and learn wat your goto plays are and pick them off. i want more control of my players you want more help from the CPU.

also quick note. you've changed ur idea since we started debating this on the QB throw away. i want u to understand i think it would be fine to have a mechanic in the game where you, the gamer, can choose to purposely throw it away over the head of one of ur WRs to avoid a sack. i am fine with this and would welcome it. the way u started was you wanted the CPU to decide when to do this. you wanted a high awrness qb like manning to decide at random when to correct a bad throw. these are completely different ideas.

i see i've won you over on that being a bad idea but you didn't want to acknowledge that it was a bad idea so you kind of just shifted it pretending like it was the same thing. that's fine and i can understand y u want to save face on it. so ur new idea of being able to throw it away would be interesting and some bad things could happen with it and some good things but wat u suggested at first i am completely opposed to.

Your right I did change my idea from my orginal wishlist. Although I still stand by my orginal idea. All I am doing is throwing out ideas to try to make the game betterl.

My orginal idea was to address the throwing away of the ball by an intended reciever. Also I liked the idea because It gave meaning to the AWR rating for a QB. And I still don't think there is a huge difference between QB play where there should be. I still think this could be a good idea with certain tweaks. You telling me that you won me over on it being a bad idea is merely you trying to decalre you won an argument.

That said I have now adopted a new idea from someone else. The NFL Blitz passing system infused with QB vision.

The question here seems to be "how do you throw the ball away in the pocket with no intentions of it being complete". I think My new adopted Idea addresses this.

and how are all your great ideas gonna get incorporated in madden 11? lol

yes i am showing u that i've won this debate which is the purpose of the debate... i dont see anything wrong with this. i'm glad u've taken to changing ur ideas tho i respect that you can see that something may not have worked and changed to a better idea. that's wat tweaking is all about. but yea most of ur ideas would be fine but theres some that just make all of us cringe and i was in the mood for some bashing. its clear to all of us u need some more time with the game. find someone to lab with and i think u'd find the game much more enjoyable and i think u'd also have a drastically different wishlist.

some of mine are:

assigning which LB/DE to double team - idk how this would work from a coding perspective since it would be really difficult but it would clear up the nanos and be able for fake blitzing to be effective. like u can put 2 MLBs in the a gap and u light one of them to double and they bail out and the DEs come free, etc, etc great for runs too like if u wanted them to just ignore the weakside LB and push up to the second level. again this would be a very complicated programming problem

FIX THE GODDAMN FLATS - i love that you can actually hit them now without them doing a retarded animation like in previous years but they are broken right now. too easily abused.

be able to assign DLine stunts - like specific ones. not just out, in, left, right. i want RE to stunt over the DT etc, etc

something to fix the breakaway lag - i'm talking about that thing where if u pull away from defenders and then ur 99 speed RB starts running like a cripple. i like the idea of waht they're trying to do but it just looks ugly. in previous years if i has 94 speed and u had 93 speed and i had half a set on u it as over which is completely stupid. u see ppl get chased down all the time because they do get tired or watever but the way they have it now just doesnt look nature.




but seriously everyone thinks ur an idiot if u don't think theres a big difference between jamarcus and peyton.

But is the difference between them in the game as much as in real life?

Didn't say there was anything wrong with declaring you won the debate, but how did you win, when your agreeing with me on some things and im agreeing with you on some things?

The act of saying you won in an argument in a argument shows weakness.

I don't have to say im right I already know i am

lol no that just makes u arrogant and immature don't worry kiddo. u'll learn ur lessons some day soon. the act of saying u won an argument puts the thought into the reader's mind, provides a positive image and shows strength and confidence. lol "i dont have to say i'm right i already know i am" hahahaha. sounds like a toddler pouting. wat r u right about btw? i've given you clear, concise and well explained examples of why i feel a few of ur ideas would turn out terribly for the madden community and now looking back you haven't provided anything close to a rebuttal. u know u really won the argument when the other guy says "your wrong and i'm right because... well... just cuz i'm right!"

lol no u didnt agree with me on anything u just kept saying u were right and u pussied out when i was. i gave u props for being flexible and u just act arrogant. naw see u would have been right if u said "yea that might **** things up how about this than" but u took the cowards way out and changed ur idea but pretended it was the same idea.

your young and honestly i wish i had the luxury to feel so self righteous. u do that when u get older and u normally loss ur job pretty quick. if u want to bring this discussion back to madden and stay focused on whats worth debating then we can talk about ur ideas but if u want to turn it into a flame war... i can flame better than you can. when u turn it away from madden then i think it's time u GTFO.

Your obvously a ignorant Human Being.

You are now arguing about who won the Argument, and you say im self rightous. Explain that?

Saying you won an argument within an argument shows you are insecure.

Clear, concise argument- You admitted to just bashing me.

name calling another personal attack which indicates you are unsure about yourself.

You call me a ******- but yet you are indicating that you don't even stand up for yourself in the real world. With your comment about losing your job.

This this, idiotic idea needs to be let go.. Theirs no reason that any quarterback should "adjust" his throw and throw the ball away whenever YOU make the decision to throw it into triple coverage.. If YOU put yourself in the position to where your in the pocket and you want to throw the ball away, YOU should have to make the play, not the AI for you.. That just shows your lack of skill if you need the quarterback to "adjust" his throw so that he throws an incomplete pass when you throw it to a covered receiver.. If YOU want to throw the ball away, scramble out of the pocket and do so.. You want Madden to have every little detail inserted, so that YOU dont need any skill to make plays, the AI does it for you.. Thats what separates you from us, we MAKE plays for ourselves, YOU want to rely on the AI to make them for you.. Lets look at it like this buddy.. You drop back to pass and the defense has a blitz on and someone gets free and is coming at your quarterback.. But since your QB is Peyton Manning, he "adjusts" his throw and throws it out of bounds in the area of a receiver, making him unblitzable.. This is where your lack of skill comes in

i will explain how i feel that you are a self righteous individual. you said that you feel that you are correct no matter how u debate it and that debating you is of no use because you feel that you are correct in all circumstances. I believe that i am not self righteous because I gave evidence and supported my ideas with concrete details. I feel that you have no done this and therefore you have no right to claim that you are correct.

I do not understand why you captialized Human Being and I do not believe anything I have said makes me ignorant, perhaps arrogant but ignorant means that I am unaware of my responses as well as your but I believe I've explained my points very well. I believe your arrogance shows through when other people also feel that your ideas are simply terrible yet you continue with them as if oblivious to other people's opinions. This will be discussed further when I explain the ability to take constructive criticism.

Stating the validity of your claims within the claim is common practice during papers, debates or any other scientific document. This is simply fact and I don't really know how I can prove this further. When you go to college and begin to read respected literature you will understand this.

My arguments have been well supported with how I feel that they would effect the community as a whole. I admitted to bashing you in the sense that others are simply ignoring you while I am telling you that you are incorrect. This is a clear definition of bashing that I don't believe you have. I have still not seen a single point that you have made that can be or was supported with evidence. I proved to you that nothing is unstoppable and you've agreed to that fact. I have not seen how you have supported your assertion that taking the control out of the players hands would enhance the gaming experience. I am still waiting on a proper argument that doesn't involve you saying I'm right just because I am.

I'm not sure where you believe I am name calling? Kiddo? I simply meant to imply your youth which is apparent in you responses and lack of clear of continuous thought processes. You will learn this skill as you grow in the world. I don't believe I've called you any names and if I have I believe you completely deserve it and I also provided that proof of why I felt that word describes you as a person from what we've all seen.

There is a clear distinction between standing up for yourself and being able to take constructive criticism and I believe you are too young to understand that different. I don't mean to insult your age and in fact I said I wish that I had that type of attitude but that attitude is only forgivable for someone of you mental capacity (due to age). I was hoping to warn you that your lack of ability to take criticism will lead to many difficult situations in the work force for you but I believe you've misunderstood this as some type of weakness on my part. I believe that you would not question the authority of the Pope on religion because of his experience in the subject manner and to lessen the analogy you wouldn't completely ignore the advice of someone more experienced than you in any subject manner. I am certain I am the more experienced and better online madden player yet you refuse to take any advice. I also assert that everyone else that has responded to your ideas negatively are most likely more experienced and perhaps even better players than myself; strangely we all share the same opinion but you decide to ignore it and push forward with you myopic ideas.

The greatest skill that will help you through life is to understand when other people are trying to help you when they criticize you. The people that want things from you or want to use you will praise you to no end but the people that truly want to help will always be constantly criticizing you in the hope that you will take what they say to heart and improve yourself. You do no realize it now but your parents are right about most things especially their criticism. I only came to tell you that your ideas would not work and I explained why I felt that way in a clear fashion. After my arguments you have responded with I'm sticking to my ideas because I know I am right.

Please sir, what is your rebuttal?

You sir... are an idiot.

Though your rebuttal was long and exhausting you never addressed my issues and question directly. So ill give you another chance.

I said "you are arguing about an argument, and you say im self rightous, explain?" Never did you explain how "arguing about an argument" does not make someone self rightous which was the question at hand. Instead you explained how im self rightous, which i never asked. Then you explained how you weren't self rightous but never addressed the question that was raised.

Your second paragraph addressed nothing I asked.

You said " stating the vallidity of your claims within a claim is common practice in debates." But your specific claim was that you won our argument as in fact we are still arguing. Is that common practice in debates?

In your fourth paragraph you never explained to me how bashing is " clear and concise" which is the question I proposed. Instead you gave me a revised defintion of "bashing". You said bashing is the act of telling someone they are incorrect while others ignore that person. Wait a second let me look that one up. Bashing- Bashing is a harsh, gratuious, prejudcial, attack on a person. Sorry doesn't match.

In your fifth paragraph you said you weren't sure where you were name calling me. You have used words such as arrogant, immature, kiddo, coward, idiot, newbie, to describe me and I have evidence of it. Not only that you explain that I don't take constructive critism well, im young and inexperienced and im not as good at madden as you are. Are you still not sure Where you were name calling?

Earlier on you called me a coward. After that you said I was self rightous, which doesn't match, but anyway. You said if I acted self rightous that I would lose my job quick. Then I questioned your abillity to stand up for yourself. You explained your abillity to take constructive critism postively and apply it. So when I propose the question do you stand up for yourself in the real world? You are okay with saying I take constructive critism and apply it to myself? What if you are in fact right about a particular subject?

Your presumptions of me being young are incorrect and furthers my case that you often jump to conclusions.

I hope with your rebuttal you take the time to actually answer my questions directly and stick to the subject at hand. Ive even made them in bold lettering so its "clear and concise."

A true IDIOT would not dodge and deflect questions. But I've given you a second chance Masterdebater.

i think this should answer all you questions young man. i am sorry that reading longer paragraphs exhausts you but I believe this is the best way I can prove a point. please finish the paragraphs. maybe take breaks between sentences and such. take your time and i feel all your the answers u seek will come to you. you may want to keep a dictionary near you as well.

huh1231 wrote:

i will explain how i feel that you are a self righteous individual. you said that you feel that you are correct no matter how u debate it and that debating you is of no use because you feel that you are correct in all circumstances. I believe that i am not self righteous because I gave evidence and supported my ideas with concrete details. I feel that you have no done this and therefore you have no right to claim that you are correct.

I do not understand why you captialized Human Being and I do not believe anything I have said makes me ignorant, perhaps arrogant but ignorant means that I am unaware of my responses as well as your but I believe I've explained my points very well. I believe your arrogance shows through when other people also feel that your ideas are simply terrible yet you continue with them as if oblivious to other people's opinions. This will be discussed further when I explain the ability to take constructive criticism.

Stating the validity of your claims within the claim is common practice during papers, debates or any other scientific document. This is simply fact and I don't really know how I can prove this further. When you go to college and begin to read respected literature you will understand this.

My arguments have been well supported with how I feel that they would effect the community as a whole. I admitted to bashing you in the sense that others are simply ignoring you while I am telling you that you are incorrect. This is a clear definition of bashing that I don't believe you have. I have still not seen a single point that you have made that can be or was supported with evidence. I proved to you that nothing is unstoppable and you've agreed to that fact. I have not seen how you have supported your assertion that taking the control out of the players hands would enhance the gaming experience. I am still waiting on a proper argument that doesn't involve you saying I'm right just because I am.

I'm not sure where you believe I am name calling? Kiddo? I simply meant to imply your youth which is apparent in you responses and lack of clear of continuous thought processes. You will learn this skill as you grow in the world. I don't believe I've called you any names and if I have I believe you completely deserve it and I also provided that proof of why I felt that word describes you as a person from what we've all seen.

There is a clear distinction between standing up for yourself and being able to take constructive criticism and I believe you are too young to understand that different. I don't mean to insult your age and in fact I said I wish that I had that type of attitude but that attitude is only forgivable for someone of you mental capacity (due to age). I was hoping to warn you that your lack of ability to take criticism will lead to many difficult situations in the work force for you but I believe you've misunderstood this as some type of weakness on my part. I believe that you would not question the authority of the Pope on religion because of his experience in the subject manner and to lessen the analogy you wouldn't completely ignore the advice of someone more experienced than you in any subject manner. I am certain I am the more experienced and better online madden player yet you refuse to take any advice. I also assert that everyone else that has responded to your ideas negatively are most likely more experienced and perhaps even better players than myself; strangely we all share the same opinion but you decide to ignore it and push forward with you myopic ideas.

The greatest skill that will help you through life is to understand when other people are trying to help you when they criticize you. The people that want things from you or want to use you will praise you to no end but the people that truly want to help will always be constantly criticizing you in the hope that you will take what they say to heart and improve yourself. You do no realize it now but your parents are right about most things especially their criticism. I only came to tell you that your ideas would not work and I explained why I felt that way in a clear fashion. After my arguments you have responded with I'm sticking to my ideas because I know I am right.

Please sir, what is your rebuttal?

You sir... are an idiot.

I will continue this debate as soon as you address my questions. Until then I will presume you have no rebuttal to my remarks.

I can not believe you two are having an argument on who won the argument. Very childish on both parts. But to the creator of the wish list I read some of your changes I didnt read all of them because that would be a waste of time. But it seemed like you wanted to change every aspect of the game. Madden 10 is the best 360 installment to date. It does not need that many changes. To have a huge list like that you would think this game was atrocious. And even if they do add a bunch of new features or change things I think they would know better than you. The QB awareness idea with Peyton throwing it away when you throw it into triple coverage. Why are you throwing it into triple coverage. I heard your rebuttal was what do you do when your in the pocket and you want to throw it away its a real football question. Usually that is when a QB decides to either find a reciever that could make a catch, try to get out of the pocket, scramble for yards or take the sack. And I have played with Jamarcus he is garbage a huge difference from Peyton Manning.

And the playbook idea would be a cool offline idea. But online it just makes the game less real. What NFL team runs 4-3 155 3-4 46 i know multiple d has all of those also but its just going to be a compilation of plays on every playbook that people have learned online that would be able to stop a lot of things. If you look at the posts on the offensive forum almost everyone is about advantages of certain playbooks. And there are tradeoffs of using on or another. With make your own there would be no tradeoffs there will just be a superior playbook. One of my favorite parts of madden is picking your playbook and practicing it. If everyone will pick the superior plays it becomes all about stick play and less about strategy.

A change someone said that I did like was to make some playbooks less identical. Make each playbook even more identical to its NFL Franchise.

I'm da ish in madden wrote:

lol, i stopped reading after
Smarter QBs adjust your bad decisions and/or throws. EXAMPLE- Your controlling Peyton Manning and you accidently throw into triple coverage. With my idea Peyton will automatically adjust the throw so no one can intercept it, pretty much just throwing it away but in the direction of your intended WR so you don't get a flag. Of course he won't do this everytime but he will do it way more often than a less aware QB.

So do you want to watch a game or play the game? The comp shouldnt compensate for your lack of football knowledge. I got an idea...........get better! I agree with ish

biggest problem, stop money plays, if there was a play that would always work in rule life then there would be no point ? and also i dont think its always a completion or an interception, but there is always a tip involved, it annoys me when you go deep and your guy underthrows it yet hardly ever over throws it ? or you throw a route and it just falls to the ground, this does happen frequently, and make the players catch TIPPED BALLS FOR CHRIST SAKE! and stop making speed the biggest problem, definitely improve man coverage aswell

lol i guess he got exhausted from reading it again... poor kid. lol everyone bashing his ideas now but he still thinks he's right. lol iflyhigh gtfo please.

Obviously you cannot keep up with my intellect. Id be embarrased if I were you starting an argument with someone and then being proven I was wrong. Just reposting my same comments, I understand why your doing that though, its because there are no valid answers to my questions, because your wrong.

You cannot explain how bashing is clear and concise because thats an obvious contradiction on yourself. All of my questions i propose prove that you are wrong and thats why you can't answer.

Tryin to act all smart, too bad you ran into someone who is a lot more brighter than you. Im so smart I just got you repeating yourself. You don't even realize why your doing it. I had to explain it for you.

You are inferior to me. Im one step ahead. Your too slow. Until you answer my questions that i put in bold print or you explain why you are not answering them. All I have said is TRUE.

imahawk57 wrote:

Obviously you cannot keep up with my intellect. Id be embarrased if I were you starting an argument with someone and then being proven I was wrong. Just reposting my same comments, I understand why your doing that though, its because there are no valid answers to my questions, because your wrong.

You cannot explain how bashing is clear and concise because thats an obvious contradiction on yourself. All of my questions i propose prove that you are wrong and thats why you can't answer.

Tryin to act all smart, too bad you ran into someone who is a lot more brighter than you. Im so smart I just got you repeating yourself. You don't even realize why your doing it. I had to explain it for you.

You are inferior to me. Im one step ahead. Your too slow. Until you answer my questions that i put in bold print or you explain why you are not answering them. All I have said is TRUE.

A good quarterback shouldnt compensate for your bad decision.. If you have a good quarterback like Manning who already has like 99 accuracy in every stat, you shouldnt be making throws into triple coverage anyway.. Everyone thinks your wrong, and all you can do is call us idiots because we keep proving you wrong.. You think MS has a bunch of losers? Why dont you play us

imahawk57 wrote:

Obviously you cannot keep up with my intellect. Id be embarrased if I were you starting an argument with someone and then being proven I was wrong. Just reposting my same comments, I understand why your doing that though, its because there are no valid answers to my questions, because your wrong.

You cannot explain how bashing is clear and concise because thats an obvious contradiction on yourself. All of my questions i propose prove that you are wrong and thats why you can't answer.

Tryin to act all smart, too bad you ran into someone who is a lot more brighter than you. Im so smart I just got you repeating yourself. You don't even realize why your doing it. I had to explain it for you.

You are inferior to me. Im one step ahead. Your too slow. Until you answer my questions that i put in bold print or you explain why you are not answering them. All I have said is TRUE.

lol this just shows u didn't read it. it's ok dude. ur 56 IQ is worth some pity. i can tell by the way you write just how much schooling you've had. your life is going to be pretty tough in terms of finding work. if u want u can still go back and read it. just take it a paragraph at a time and give urself some breaks. ur a bit slow so take ur time and u'll get through it. it'll be for ur benefit in the end.

i'm pretty sure sarah palin is brighter than you.

here are my ideas for madden 11....
1.  fix the sideline catch animation...well not fix but put 1 in how bout that lol
2.  make turning up field better easier and better like on screens players are at a dead stop most the time and yall got these fools doin a zig zag to turn up field
3.  put in an endzone fade route catch or somethin they have tone it way down to wher eu cant turn ur guy around no matter wat.
4. fix the catch animations.  for example...have the wr turn into the damn ball and not always the over the shoulder s***.  this madden is missing ALOT of catches.

Here's my assesment just cuz I got nothing better to do
I will use the corresponding numbers

1a Complete control, no way, there are rules in football like TE eligible, 5 down linemen etc...
1aa there are also rules for motion
1a? There is a diff between Manning and Russell and it is significant
1?, I am not interested in controlling each foot of the quarterback, I would need a joystick for every appendage

3baa WTF, One down lineman and everyone else just wandering around to confuse the defense, that's not a play that's not anything

1a? Pressure, scrambling and throwing across your body do have negative effects in this game
1ab42. You can throw the ball away, read the manual
62bc5 if you want different coaching options pick a different playbook
21c2. You can move a team to another city or export your own franchise team into the game, and build a new stadium to boot

38bc Dude, defensive players do shout stuff like watch the run etc..just turn up the volume. In the real game they shout things like

"52, mike 52"
"Fire, fire"
"Mirror, mirror"
"Omaha 45"
Blue 42 hut hut

Now that's the canter between the defensive captain and his team and the QB and his team. You figger out which is which. But it won't make sense to most people and is often coded so it doesn't make sense to the other team. How is that fun.

13c5b. I like superstar mode and really enjoyed playing the historical situations

OK, I'm tired of this now

In closing, you open with a Declaration stating that you want EA to listen but your kinda just rambling and don't really have a full grasp of either Football nor Madden. At least not enough to be telling EA what to do.

IMO