Desean Jackson OR Miles Austin

Once again crazyblack... you've reached new levels of stupidity....as iflyhigh321 pretty much said it all. In regards to your point CRAZYBLACK, of course he has more YAC as Austin has 20 more or so receptions than Jackson......DUHHHHHH. It's about an average of YAC, which you said was 9- and you were wrong. Austin has .6 yards more YAC than Desean- barely any. O ya.... and did you see the whooping big D just laid down on Phili? Vikings are coming next.

Desean is better at the deep ball than austin.

i haven't seen austin go straight up the feild and actually run past a DB when he's had those type's of plays he didn't burn a CB romo did a pump fake to make the CB freez a little and that allowed austin to have a big play.

To the cowboys miles austin is their deep threat but thats just to the cowboys.

miles austin is nowhere near a feared deep threat in the league he's not even in the top 20 of down feild wr's.

DJax did nothing last night and I mean shut out of the game. So I don't care if you think he is better. Now Maclin played great and had a good game and IMO in the next year or so Maclin will be better than Djax if not already. Even Vick was able to get the ball to him even, tho Jenkins got caught slipping on that pass... lol. To me Maclin and Austin runs better routes than DJax and all he has is his speed to get down field.

if u think djax doesnt run good routes and sucks and maclin is better...WTF? they guy doesnt lead the nfl in long td passes for nothing....

i think austin will be the better wr in the years to come but to say djax sucks simply cuz maclin had a long td since jenkins slipped is just dumb....djax obviously has proven himself 2 yars in a row as a wr and as a punt returner...the guys explosive as hell

mario please hush...uv been proven wrong on so many occasions its not even funny

roy williams sucks at catching so austin has to grab the 1st downs therefore he doesnt go deep very often but if u guys would actually watch the film on the past few years when austin was put in the game as the 3rd wr or 4th he was usually always on a deep streak....dont u guys remember the ravens vs cboys game where austin went deep and burnt everyone including reed but romo threw it horribly....he was the burner on the cowboys but now he is the number 1 guy he is asked to do alot more routes than just a deep streak...trust me the guy has the speed

fact of the matter is based on last 2 yars djax > astin despite djaxs goose eggs in the cboys vs eags games

Well said Cake Boss. And Mario.... Yes, Miles Austin is the cowboy's deep threat, this is why the argument was ridiculous to began with. But I don't know if your giving him enough credit by saying he's not even in the TOP 20 of deep threat receivers. Do you actually know how fast Miles is?

2ToN The Cake Boss wrote:

if u think djax doesnt run good routes and sucks and maclin is better...WTF? they guy doesnt lead the nfl in long td passes for nothing....

i think austin will be the better wr in the years to come but to say djax sucks simply cuz maclin had a long td since jenkins slipped is just dumb....djax obviously has proven himself 2 yars in a row as a wr and as a punt returner...the guys explosive as hell

mario please hush...uv been proven wrong on so many occasions its not even funny

roy williams sucks at catching so austin has to grab the 1st downs therefore he doesnt go deep very often but if u guys would actually watch the film on the past few years when austin was put in the game as the 3rd wr or 4th he was usually always on a deep streak....dont u guys remember the ravens vs cboys game where austin went deep and burnt everyone including reed but romo threw it horribly....he was the burner on the cowboys but now he is the number 1 guy he is asked to do alot more routes than just a deep streak...trust me the guy has the speed

fact of the matter is based on last 2 yars djax > astin despite djaxs goose eggs in the cboys vs eags games

Ya good post man, I remember when Austin was just the streak route, now it's Ogletree

I especially like what you said, in bold

DJAX

lol this kid cant even get my stats right. i said when he catches the ball, its 9 yards downfield

now here is miles austins stats....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8021/career;_ylt=Ai2rOnNdO1Bn7KUgdQc0EHL.uLYF


please look at how his yards per catch is 16.3. now please look at his average YAC

it is 6.9 yards

now, this might be a little confusing for you vandyman so ill go slow

you take 16.3 and you subtract his yards after the catch (6.9) and you know what you get? you get how far down the field, on average, he catches the ball.

it comes out to 9.4 yards down field. not even a first down, dude doesnt even run routes (on average) that make it to the first down marker

now lets look at desean

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8826

he has 18.5 yards per catch and his YAC is 6.3

dont worry vandy i did the math for you again and on average, desean catches the ball 12.2 yards down the field. almost a 3 yard difference

how can you argue this other then just being biased??? desean on average catches the ball farther down the field then miles does

he is more of a deep threat!!!!!!!!

crazyblack001 wrote:

lol this kid cant even get my stats right. i said when he catches the ball, its 9 yards downfield

now here is miles austins stats....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8021/career;_ylt=Ai2rOnNdO1Bn7KUgdQc0EHL.uLYF


please look at how his yards per catch is 16.3. now please look at his average YAC

it is 6.9 yards

now, this might be a little confusing for you vandyman so ill go slow

you take 16.3 and you subtract his yards after the catch (6.9) and you know what you get? you get how far down the field, on average, he catches the ball.

it comes out to 9.4 yards down field. not even a first down, dude doesnt even run routes (on average) that make it to the first down marker

now lets look at desean

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8826

he has 18.5 yards per catch and his YAC is 6.3

dont worry vandy i did the math for you again and on average, desean catches the ball 12.2 yards down the field. almost a 3 yard difference

how can you argue this other then just being biased??? desean on average catches the ball farther down the field then miles does

he is more of a deep threat!!!!!!!!

check your P.M.s

2ToN The Cake Boss wrote:

if u think djax doesnt run good routes and sucks and maclin is better...WTF? they guy doesnt lead the nfl in long td passes for nothing....

i think austin will be the better wr in the years to come but to say djax sucks simply cuz maclin had a long td since jenkins slipped is just dumb....djax obviously has proven himself 2 yars in a row as a wr and as a punt returner...the guys explosive as hell

mario please hush...uv been proven wrong on so many occasions its not even funny

roy williams sucks at catching so austin has to grab the 1st downs therefore he doesnt go deep very often but if u guys would actually watch the film on the past few years when austin was put in the game as the 3rd wr or 4th he was usually always on a deep streak....dont u guys remember the ravens vs cboys game where austin went deep and burnt everyone including reed but romo threw it horribly....he was the burner on the cowboys but now he is the number 1 guy he is asked to do alot more routes than just a deep streak...trust me the guy has the speed

fact of the matter is based on last 2 yars djax > astin despite djaxs goose eggs in the cboys vs eags games

Never said that DJax sucks he is good but his route running isn't all that great. Now the short passes that he does well with is because he is a playmaker. From what I have seen of Maclin his routs looked good and what I said is in the next couple of years he will be better IMO. Never said Maclin is better than Djax just because of that Jenkins slip. Your reading to much into it. The better WR doesn't always have to be a guy that leads the nfl in long td passes. Roy Williams should have never been brought to Dallas to be the #1 WR, I really don't see what they might have saw to put him in that postion.

By the way I can't stop looking at that pic (avatar)

Never said that DJax sucks he is good but his route running isn't all that great. Now the short passes that he does well with is because he is a playmaker. From what I have seen of Maclin his routs looked good and what I said is in the next couple of years he will be better IMO. Never said Maclin is better than Djax just because of that Jenkins slip. Your reading to much into it. The better WR doesn't always have to be a guy that leads the nfl in long td passes. Roy Williams should have never been brought to Dallas to be the #1 WR, I really don't see what they might have saw to put him in that postion.

jerry jones brought roy in dallas so he can be a complament to T.O. you know every deep threat has a complament wr. when roy was with the lions he was a BEAST!!!! along the other side of CALVIN JOHNSON roy was looking like anquan boldin and im not over exaggerating roy was really on the murge of being an elite wr a few years back.

i know madden rating don't mean nothing about how players are ranked but EA put all the good wr's in the top ten and they get it right most of the time and in madden08 roy and calvin were both in the top ten.

here is why he was brought to dallas: Roy Williams had a productive year for the 2006 Lions, having 1,310 yards and 7 touchdowns. The 1,310 were the most in the NFC; and tied with Indianapolis Colts receiver Reggie Wayne for 3rd most in the NFL.

when he was with the lions he got open mainly because of all the attention that calvin was getting now that he is with dallas they really don't have someone that can get a defense focused on one wr so that is probably why his production hasn't been that good since he's been with the cowboys.

crazyblack.... your basing an opinion that desean jackson is more of a deep threat on 1) a 3 yard difference.... 2) a stat that really can't be consistently and definitively measured - as I responded to the 9 yards down the field stat earlier by saying Miles Austin was the only reliable receiver who could run the type of patterns Wes Welker does and the type that desean jackson runs. Roy drops the ball when he catches over the middle on short slants and crayton doesn't have the quick burst of speed and quickness necessary. This helps explains why Miles Austin has 20 more catches on the season, he isn't used almost EXCLUSIVELY for the long ball- like desean. So if you average the 20 more catches with the VARIETY of patterns that Austin runs--- the 3 YARD difference makes sense. That is a miserable and desperate way to try and prove your point crazyblack. If you want proof, just watch the clips from the last Phili game, you'll see Miles going over the middle on short slants and beating his man on deep posts and fly patterns. If you put the 5 foot 9 190 pound Jackson over the middle with the linebackers your risking quite a bit. Phili has numerous recievers to do that type of work. Because Miles Austin is more COMPLETE than desean, he is used for multiple purposes- thus the miniscule 3 yard difference- lol.

The rumors that I heard was he going to replace T.O. and the partial year with them playing together was to let Williams know the system better. Doing so they wouldn't have lost that much production from the #1 W.R. (T.O.) on him learning the system. Roy Williams was with Calvin Johnson on the Lions for a season and 5 games into the next season so to call him a nice complement to him is total bull sh*t. He only had that one season above 1,000 the rest have been below 838 yes I had to look that one up cause Williams never was on the radar for a top W.R. except him being 7th pick in the first round in 2004 and failing... Yes I hoped it to be different too.

williams was a BEAST!!!! when he was with the lions look at some of his highlights the catches he was making were spectacular one-handed catches,receptions in double coveredge. he was incredible.

look at his highlights it don't matter how many yards he had it's about the plays he was making dude was making some of the most spectacular catches at the time he was with the lions.

If he was that great he wouldn't have been traded off of one of the worst teams. Yeah he had some good highlights but that don't mean he was BEAST. Sh*t he hasn't made those BEAST catches lately has he and that might have played part of why the Lions traded him.

lol mario stay basing his arguments on sportscenter highlights

i think that basically revoked his nfl argument card if it hadnt been revoked already

2ToN The Cake Boss wrote:

lol mario stay basing his arguments on sportscenter highlights

i think that basically revoked his nfl argument card if it hadnt been revoked already

i don't even watch sportcenter.

i watch NFL nettwork.

dracocepheus wrote:

If he was that great he wouldn't have been traded off of one of the worst teams. Yeah he had some good highlights but that don't mean he was BEAST. Sh*t he hasn't made those BEAST catches lately has he and that might have played part of why the Lions traded him.

roy wanted to leave and dallas gave the lions alot of draft picks and i think the reason that roy hasn't made any of the catches he used to make is because dallas don't have a deep threat like calvin johnson who can take half the defense with him when he runs across the feild and leaving a wr wide open.

super_mario90 wrote:

roy wanted to leave and dallas gave the lions alot of draft picks and i think the reason that roy hasn't made any of the catches he used to make is because dallas don't have a deep threat like calvin johnson who can take half the defense with him when he runs across the feild and leaving a wr wide open.

Oh yeah that 1 and 1/3 season together really showed how good Roy is when he had a deep threat wide out with him. Telling you Roy really needs to step up.

he probably won't be as good as he was when he was with the lions.

miles kinda reminds me of a weaker TO

lol mario its not like roy is gettn double teamed or anything...they guy straight up drops easy catches on perfectly thrown balls by romo and austin doesnt plain and simple

austin has what almost 1300 yards and ddnt even play in 4-5 games, how are u gonna tell me roy ddnt benefit from that? he sure as hell drew the attention of the d away from roy and he had a sub par season

roys role is basically the redzone target now but even at tht he still sucks

stop basing ur arguments off highlights and madden ratings lol

i wanna see roy go back to the lions where they have a deep threat that can help roy get open and make plays unlike dallas where they have no deep threat and everyone is forced to run their routes hard just to get a little seperation.

lol mario so delusional

roy does get open...he just doesnt catch! and because he is their worst 1st down target austin has to fill in roys shoes which is why he is asked to do short routes often rather than using his speed to get deep....

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