Desean Jackson OR Miles Austin

You eagles fan's surely are using the utmost objectivity when evaluating desean and miles austin....... NOT, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER EVEN SEEN HIM PLAY OTHER THAN WHEN HE PLAYS AGAINST THE EAGLES??

A number of people here are just MAKING STATISTICS UP. It's absolutely pathetic. But first, let me clear one thing out of the way for the eagles fans and those fans around the league who premise their football knowledge on hype from ESPN.

WHAT MAKES A DEEP THREAT? Simple- someone who is fast enough to burn opposing cornerbacks and get down field. IF ANYONE HERE HAS ACTUALLY CONSISTENTLY KEPT UP WITH MILES AUSTIN AND HAS READ HIS STORIES YOU WOULD KNOW THIS:

1) Most importantly-- Jerry Jones let T.O go because he though MILES AUSTIN could make up the production
2) Miles Austin is actually timed between a 4.3- 4.4 40 yard dash, as he is KNOWN to dallas as being the big play receiver BECAUSE he's our fastest receiver (not sure about Ogletree).
3) He has almost single handedly SAVED the Dallas offense and has spread the field for other guys by putting up better numbers than all but 5 receivers in the league (yes, better than the great desean jackson) while only actually playing in 12 of 16 games. (To be fair, jackson only played 14 due to injury) That deserves props, I don't care who you are.

Those simple facts being said, the real stats are from hof8231....

M. Austin, longest was 60 yards for a TD, D Jack 71 yards for a TD

Catches 40 yards+: D Jack has 10, A Johnson has 9, M Austin has 8.

FOR ALL THOSE SAYING "YA WELL, HE'S JUST RUNNING AFTER HE CATCHES THE BALL TO GET THOSE KIND OF STATS." Let me ask you, why doesn't Wes Welker (a leader in yards after the catch) have the kind of deep ball numbers Austin has?? Duh, he 's not fast enough to out run the secondary, he's not a "deep threat." Furthermore, if you would take 5 minutes.....5 MINUTES, to watch a youtube clip of Austin's highlights, you would see that a LOT, if not MOST of his big plays come from catching the football after its been in the air for 30 or 40 yards by beating his corner. OR.... you could continue talking from your butts and sit in confusion as Austin gets yet another 40 yard + touchdown play Saturday.

Lastly.... that Austin gets most of his yardage against bad to mediocre teams.... What kind of dumb mother***** uses that to asses a receiver's ability? You can be a sub .500 team with an awful offense, mediocre front, and a great secondary. In fact, a number of .500 or below have some great corners. I guess his 145 yard game against Oakland's N. Asomugha (one of the best corners in all the NFL) was just a fluke... as they went man on man most of the game until late. OR perhaps his 90 yards against Asante Samuel (however you spell his name)- albeit Sheldon Brown covered him until late in the 2nd Quarter when the Eagles finally figured out that he couldn't keep up with Austin and stuck Samuel on him. Go back to the highlights and you'll see Samuel getting beat by Austin, or don't go back to the highlights and talk out of your ***.

And I'll conclude with this......MILES AUSTIN IS FASTER AND A BIGGER DEEP THREAT THAN DESEAN JACKSON. How to i know? Its called FACTS, not spewing convenient opinions from ESPN and pontificating out of my butt. From wikipedia on MILES AUSTIN.....
"He holds one of the fastest electronic times for a WR coming out of college, with a 4.29 40 yard dash at Rutgers pro day. ( Monmouth didn't have a pro day )." FACT

ON DESEAN FROM wikipedia.....At the 2008 NFL Combine, Jackson had an impressive showing, running an official 4.35 40-yard dash." FACT

I wonder whose the bigger deep threat and the better overall player by looking at their athletic ability and their stats......hmmmm.....pretty obvious if your mind's not dictated by complete bias.

Enough said.

Jackson miles is a one year wonder lol

desean by a mile what has austin done outside of this year? desean is only in his 2nd a becoming more a a number 1 wr every game

oh gosh....all of these cboys homers are way too much

face it unless miles does it AGAIN <------- something alot of u dont seem to grasp jackson will be the better WR since he has done it 2 years in a row....if miles continues those numbers then he can be considered up there and even better than djax....i cant believe the kool aid some people are drinking about austin...its a fact that u should never judge a persons talents off one year....the NFL is all about consistency....

some1 said welker wasnt a deep threat cuz he wasnt fast...wtf? hes the slot wr and about 80% of his routes are 5 yard patterns....randy moss IS the deep threat why on earth would the patriots send 2 wrs deep and no1 taking the middle on crosses?

i like austin myself because he has the big body and the speed to be up their with the upper echelon of the NFL's WRs, but i never let a 1 year guy make my top 5...not even calvin johnson is in my top 5 even tho his talent says otherwise....

1. andre
2. fitz
3. wayne
4. moss
5. welker (3 str8 110+ catches? unheard of)
that is probably the best top 5 for right now and 6-10 can really be switched around with austin djax vjax boldin and colston and calvin and jennings/driver

once again......it is austins 1st year as a true starter and his 1st major season.....let him continue to prove himself as a top wr before heralding him as the best wr of all time...look at rice hes had a monster season but i dont see any1 saying hes the best wr or top 5 wr....

desean jackson
duh

Why in an argument does one of the players have to be garbage. They are both amazing players. Austin has stepped up greatly this season after T.O. I think if you look at the stats he is the best reciever in the NFC. But I think he is doing so well because other than Witten who is Romo going to throw to. Someone was going to get T.O's catches and yards. And Roy has been an utter dissapoiontment other than being a redzone threat. But Austin I think will be playing at a high level for a while.

Desean Jacskon has so much talent. The kid is sooo fast. Where did this he doesnt do short passes. Have you seen Desean in a Flat or a slant when he catches the ball and has space its like a return for him, he will make people miss. The Eagles have so many offensive weapons that Desean does not get as many catches as other Pro Bowl recievers. I think Desean only had 43 and still puts up ridiculous numbers. Add in Desean as a return man, desean reverse out of the wildcat this guy is one of the most explosive players in this league.

An argument that is so overrated is when a player only does well against bad defenses. If you look at many pro bowl recievers or running backs most of their great games come at the expense of bad defenses. Look at what recievers put up against Revis, Asomgua, Woodson, Bailey. When a reciever puts up 200 yards against a bad defense you cant just brush it off and say its not noteworthy. How many other recievers put up that many yards on that defense. The only justification of the use of this argument would be if you were trying to make a point about a player would not do well in the playoffs because many of the teams have great defenses.

iflyhigh321 wrote:

Why in an argument does one of the players have to be garbage. They are both amazing players. Austin has stepped up greatly this season after T.O. I think if you look at the stats he is the best reciever in the NFC. But I think he is doing so well because other than Witten who is Romo going to throw to. Someone was going to get T.O's catches and yards. And Roy has been an utter dissapoiontment other than being a redzone threat. But Austin I think will be playing at a high level for a while.

Desean Jacskon has so much talent. The kid is sooo fast. Where did this he doesnt do short passes. Have you seen Desean in a Flat or a slant when he catches the ball and has space its like a return for him, he will make people miss. The Eagles have so many offensive weapons that Desean does not get as many catches as other Pro Bowl recievers. I think Desean only had 43 and still puts up ridiculous numbers. Add in Desean as a return man, desean reverse out of the wildcat this guy is one of the most explosive players in this league.

An argument that is so overrated is when a player only does well against bad defenses. If you look at many pro bowl recievers or running backs most of their great games come at the expense of bad defenses. Look at what recievers put up against Revis, Asomgua, Woodson, Bailey. When a reciever puts up 200 yards against a bad defense you cant just brush it off and say its not noteworthy. How many other recievers put up that many yards on that defense. The only justification of the use of this argument would be if you were trying to make a point about a player would not do well in the playoffs because many of the teams have great defenses.

good post bro

vandyman222 wrote:

You eagles fan's surely are using the utmost objectivity when evaluating desean and miles austin....... NOT, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER EVEN SEEN HIM PLAY OTHER THAN WHEN HE PLAYS AGAINST THE EAGLES??

A number of people here are just MAKING STATISTICS UP. It's absolutely pathetic. But first, let me clear one thing out of the way for the eagles fans and those fans around the league who premise their football knowledge on hype from ESPN.

WHAT MAKES A DEEP THREAT? Simple- someone who is fast enough to burn opposing cornerbacks and get down field. IF ANYONE HERE HAS ACTUALLY CONSISTENTLY KEPT UP WITH MILES AUSTIN AND HAS READ HIS STORIES YOU WOULD KNOW THIS:

1) Most importantly-- Jerry Jones let T.O go because he though MILES AUSTIN could make up the production
2) Miles Austin is actually timed between a 4.3- 4.4 40 yard dash, as he is KNOWN to dallas as being the big play receiver BECAUSE he's our fastest receiver (not sure about Ogletree).
3) He has almost single handedly SAVED the Dallas offense and has spread the field for other guys by putting up better numbers than all but 5 receivers in the league (yes, better than the great desean jackson) while only actually playing in 12 of 16 games. (To be fair, jackson only played 14 due to injury) That deserves props, I don't care who you are.

Those simple facts being said, the real stats are from hof8231....

M. Austin, longest was 60 yards for a TD, D Jack 71 yards for a TD

Catches 40 yards+: D Jack has 10, A Johnson has 9, M Austin has 8.

FOR ALL THOSE SAYING "YA WELL, HE'S JUST RUNNING AFTER HE CATCHES THE BALL TO GET THOSE KIND OF STATS." Let me ask you, why doesn't Wes Welker (a leader in yards after the catch) have the kind of deep ball numbers Austin has?? Duh, he 's not fast enough to out run the secondary, he's not a "deep threat." Furthermore, if you would take 5 minutes.....5 MINUTES, to watch a youtube clip of Austin's highlights, you would see that a LOT, if not MOST of his big plays come from catching the football after its been in the air for 30 or 40 yards by beating his corner. OR.... you could continue talking from your butts and sit in confusion as Austin gets yet another 40 yard + touchdown play Saturday.

Lastly.... that Austin gets most of his yardage against bad to mediocre teams.... What kind of dumb mother***** uses that to asses a receiver's ability? You can be a sub .500 team with an awful offense, mediocre front, and a great secondary. In fact, a number of .500 or below have some great corners. I guess his 145 yard game against Oakland's N. Asomugha (one of the best corners in all the NFL) was just a fluke... as they went man on man most of the game until late. OR perhaps his 90 yards against Asante Samuel (however you spell his name)- albeit Sheldon Brown covered him until late in the 2nd Quarter when the Eagles finally figured out that he couldn't keep up with Austin and stuck Samuel on him. Go back to the highlights and you'll see Samuel getting beat by Austin, or don't go back to the highlights and talk out of your ***.

And I'll conclude with this......MILES AUSTIN IS FASTER AND A BIGGER DEEP THREAT THAN DESEAN JACKSON. How to i know? Its called FACTS, not spewing convenient opinions from ESPN and pontificating out of my butt. From wikipedia on MILES AUSTIN.....
"He holds one of the fastest electronic times for a WR coming out of college, with a 4.29 40 yard dash at Rutgers pro day. ( Monmouth didn't have a pro day )." FACT

ON DESEAN FROM wikipedia.....At the 2008 NFL Combine, Jackson had an impressive showing, running an official 4.35 40-yard dash." FACT

I wonder whose the bigger deep threat and the better overall player by looking at their athletic ability and their stats......hmmmm.....pretty obvious if your mind's not dictated by complete bias.

Enough said.

1.jerry jones let go of T.O. because jones had alot of people including tony romo in his ear saying he's bad for the team and they don't want him on the team any more.

2.he wasn't being covered by Aso he was being covered by chris johnson who ain't that good and is a target for QB's to throw to knowing chris johnson ain't a good CB.

3. Desean is he's already proven a deep threat and miles austin ain't. Desean can easily break out of coveredge on any given play for a 50 yrd TD. miles austin just runs after the catch and can break tackles that ain't a deep threat some of the big plays austin has had were because of a pump fake by romo. and Desean is the more athletic wr and is more diverse than miles austin Desean can rush he can go deep and is probably the most dangerous on PR's so Desean is all around better than miles austin.

Super mario is so stupid.......miles austin isnt a deep threat......really.....i thought a deep threat is a wide receiver that can go deep....so because he doesent run 40 yards to catch it then score...he not a deep threat because he catches it 15 yards out and runs it into the endzone....im done this is lameeee...idc that much....you must not have a life to go on and on about stupidshit like this.....

i tried so hard, i really did, to try and hold myself back on the name calling. but i cant take it anymore, vandymans post was just much. all of you boys fans who actualy think miles austin is a DEEP THREAT ( note i never said anything about talent) are just plain stupid. all of you are. your logic is well, he ran a fast 40 and a few times this season he went deep so hes a deep threat!!!!!!! that is the dumbest, most retarded thing i have ever heard.

one stat should shut you up but no, all you boys fans are so deep under miles austins nuts you cant even see anything else

9 yards people. on average, when he catches the ball, it is 9 yards down field!!!!!!!!!!!!! please explain how that is a deep threat. i want to hear the crazy arguement some cowboy fan tries to come up with in explain to me that 9 yards makes him a deep threat. he isnt even a 1st down threat. oh wait, he is!!!!!!!!!! you know why he is a 1st down threat??? because he can make up for it when he runs after the catch. a stat he was in 4th in!!!! and second for WR

lol how the hell are you a deep threat when you run after the catch like he does?oh thats right. hes not a deep threat. well, unless you consider 9 yards deep

a deep threat is a wr that can go deep.....austin can go deep......pass him thefuckin ball and he will go deep...geez how hard is that to understand.....

lol you dont even know what a deep threat is so GTFO

ha...u stupidshit.....give me thefuckin defintion then and then tell me where you got it so i can go look thatshit up..you dont no what a deep threat is....

clever comeback. just copy what i say lol

a deep threat is somebody wo can catch the ball down the field, not somebody who catches the ball then runs down field

lol i thought this was common knowledge

crazyblack001 wrote:

clever comeback. just copy what i say lol

a deep threat is somebody wo can catch the ball down the field, not somebody who catches the ball then runs down field

lol i thought this was common knowledge

OWNED

You can't really compare these 2 100%, Austin is basically competing with Witten for the ball, while the Eagles spread the ball to ALL of their receivers.

1.jerry jones let go of T.O. because jones had alot of people including tony romo in his ear saying he's bad for the team and they don't want him on the team any more.

2.he wasn't being covered by Aso he was being covered by chris johnson who ain't that good and is a target for QB's to throw to knowing chris johnson ain't a good CB.

3. Desean is he's already proven a deep threat and miles austin ain't. Desean can easily break out of coveredge on any given play for a 50 yrd TD. miles austin just runs after the catch and can break tackles that ain't a deep threat some of the big plays austin has had were because of a pump fake by romo. and Desean is the more athletic wr and is more diverse than miles austin Desean can rush he can go deep and is probably the most dangerous on PR's so Desean is all around better than miles austin.

1) I'm not sure if you listen to the Dallas media but it's been quoted over and over again by Jerry Jones that the primary reason he was willing to let T.O go is because he believed that Austin could make up the production. It's not an opinion, it is a statement of fact
2) Go watch the 2nd half highlights, johnson was on our shitty reciever (roy williams) during most of the 1st half....thats it. Do you think that after getting 100+ they'd just stick with chris johnson on him??? I beg you, please just watch the damn film before you say anything, and you will see Asso getting beat. I don't know what else to say except watch the video.
3) First, he didn't run A COUPLE GOOD 40 TIMES, the only reason the cowboys originally considered him for roster placement was because his exceptional speed. He's consistently ran in the 4.3 range. DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN HE IS A DEEP THREAT? No, of course not. My point, if you would PLEASE just look at a highlight clip on youtube, is that he is a DOUBLE THREAT. He can read the D and get open from the slot position on 5 to 10 yard patterns like welker, AND, as he has shown multiple times throughout the season-- he can use his speed to go deep, this is PART. of the reason he has 11 touchdowns. I mean all i'm really saying is that Miles has the speed to beat his man downfield just as Desean, and I think if you were talking to an "expert," on ESPN or whatever, he'd also tell you that Miles is and can be used as a deep threat- AS IT HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN DONE ALL SEASON in case you haven't actually watched the guy.

And finally...."your logic is well, he ran a fast 40 and a few times this season he went deep so hes a deep threat!!!!!!! that is the dumbest, most retarded thing i have ever heard."

The argument is the primary ability a reciever uses to become a deep threat, is SPEED. And again, you can just brush off his speed as "a couple of fast 40 times," just like i could do with Desean, but in fact as i said above, one of the primary reasons he was given a roster spot was because his exceptional speed...... it's not just like the cowboys paid him $1.5 million because they saw a COUPLE of 40 times. But it takes more than speed, it takes good route running and good hands--- both of which Miles Austin is known for around Dallas, although the former more than the latter. But ya, saying that because Miles is able to beat his man deep and proving to you his speed by posting his 40 time is absolutely "retarded." OR... its really simple logic.

And who the hell said "he's not a deep threat because he can run after the catch so well,"? Umm..... what about Terrell Owens, Andre and even Calvin Johnson, and about more than half of all pro bowl receivers? They use their bodies and speed just like Austin.... they can catch it on a slant and make people miss or go straight down the field..BOTH OF WHICH AUSTIN DOES....DAMNIT LOOK AT HIS FILM, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to say that he doesn't after looking at his highlights, THATS ALMOST HALF OF WHAT HE DOES.. THATS WHY THE DALLA MEDIA REFERS TO HIM AS (AS WELL DOES OUR COACHES) THE BIG PLAY RECIEVER. And you know what, I bet Desean could run the same routes that Austin does half the time.....but they don't have to. In Dallas, we are kind of limited when it comes to receivers since Roy was a bust. So that answers your 9 yard average question, we don't have other recievers that can act like both like a Wes Welker and a Desean Jackson. It sounds kind of stupid, but he's kind of a mix of both players.



3)

9 yards when he catches the ball

theres a reason desean isnt high on the YAC. and thats because when he catshes the ball, he only has 10 yards to go before he hits the endzone. cause he actualy caught the ball 50 yards down the field

people here obvously think desean is better, and thats what really all that matters

thats all that needs to be said

and vandyman, before you start trying to be a smartass and "quote" me. at least get the quote right. i mean ****, i wrote it on here. how hard is that

i wrote....your logic is well, he ran a fast 40 and a few times this season he went deep so hes a deep threat

in case your english is flawed, i never said he ran a few fast 40 times, i said he went deep a few times


you wrote....."a couple of fast 40 times,"

you cant even quote somebody right and you expect me to belive you know exactly why they got rid of TO?

stop talking outta your asses you boys fans

austin is good, but is not a constant deep threat like jackson

I wasn't quoting you when i said he ran a couple of fast 40 times, that someone else dumbass

Before going off on getting a quote right, get your stats right. CRAZYBLACK00, you don't have Miles Austin's YAC stats right. Check it out, MILES AUSTIN and DESEAN JACKSON are virtually tied.... there is a .6 yard difference in this year's YAC average.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8826/career;_ylt=AiFS6Y2aHRjk8.9r_2wbOQz.uLYF

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8021/career;_ylt=AiFS6Y2aHRjk8.9r_2wbOQz.uLYF

Like I said... some people just make up stats.

i like how no1 quoted me lol

Lastly... my argument was that he was a deep threat, and you apparently you AGREE with my logic that he is ....."your logic is well, he ran a fast 40 and a few times this season he went deep so hes a deep threat." O.K then, end of story, Miles Austin and Desean Jackson are obviously BOTH deep threats..... I don't know why you had to go off and disagree with the obvious.

Yo CAKEBOSS, ill quote you..... "....if miles continues those numbers then he can be considered up there and even better than djax."... AGREED, ...if he continues. Thats fair, most of the posts up here consisted of made up stats and bias bullshit.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=231&year=

thers your actual stats you biased cowboy fan



austin, 555 YAC
jackson, 394 YAC

big difference homer

get off my nuts

crazyblack001 wrote:

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=231&year=

thers your actual stats you biased cowboy fan



austin, 555 YAC
jackson, 394 YAC

big difference homer

get off my nuts

He was talking about yac per catch. Desean has 63 while Austin has 81. Which comes out Austin has like 6.88 YAC per catch and Desean has 6.25 YAC per catch. I think if you are trying to prove the point that Desean is better you would want this stat to be similar to Austin's. One of the best abilities of a reciever is the ability to run after he catches the ball. BTW I think desean is the better reciever but I completely respect Austins ability. I think they both deserved to be in the Pro Bowl.