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 If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4

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PostSubject: If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4   If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4 Empty2010-02-16, 17:39

Jared Allen. How we miss thee. I don't know if I can bear to watch
the Vikings' playoff game this Sunday, because it's a brutal reminder
of some of the key mistakes the Chiefs' front office made under Carl
Peterson. But it also got me to thinking about the 4-3 defense and how
close the Chiefs might have been to fielding a very good defense in
2009.
For the record, I support Clark Hunt's decision to hire the man most
believed was the top General Manager on the market. And I am fine with
Scott Pioli's decision to build the defense he is familiar with. Hiring
Romeo Crennel is definitely a big step in the right direction. Still, I
think after reading this analysis, you'll agree that the Herm Edwards
version of the Chiefs defense was actually not as far away as many
might think.
Which begs the question: now that the Chiefs are firmly committed to
the path of building a 3-4 defense, was that really the right path to
take?



If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4 Star-divide.v5547

It would be remiss of me not to start with a plug for Herm Edwards
and a jab at Carl Peterson's front office. Herm was an absolute
lightning rod for criticism when he was in Kansas City and that's a
shame. To blame the Chiefs' recent struggles on poor drafting and
personnel moves under Herm Edwards' watch is incredibly short-sighted.
The biggest contributors to the Chiefs' recent struggles were: 1) poor
drafting during the Vermeil years that failed to bring in young
replacements for the franchise; 2) lukewarm success in the free agency
market before Herm came in; 3) the flawed assumption that older players
could play until they were 50 years old. But it didn't stop there.
Carl Peterson was still steering the ship after it crashed. Instead
of dismantling the team the minute Herm Edwards stepped into office,
Peterson instead insisted on eeking out one last run, to hell with the
consequences. Little by little, the Titanic started to tilt. Willie Roaf left. Trent Green, Tony Richardson, Will Shields and Priest Holmes
fell out of the equation. Suddenly, the Titanic tilted completely
upright. In the process, Peterson's moves also hamstrung the Chiefs in
unforgivable ways. His notorious lowball tactics forced Jared Allen out of Kansas City---one of the biggest blunders in the team's long history. Meanwhile, he was perfectly content to sign Larry Johnson
to a long-term deal, nevermind his checkered history on and off the
field. He hired his head coach and two coordinators from within his
**** instead of looking to the outside. Nevermind that Solari ran a
wide open offense and Gunther Cunningham wasn't a Tampa 2 guy. And oh,
by the way, Solari is not coordinating offenses in the NFL anymore and
Gunther Cunningham has laid a gigantic goose egg so far in Detroit.
Under Herm's watch, the Chiefs made a big, bold step in the right
direction in 2008 when they took a sledgehammer to the decrepit ship
and decided they were going to build a brand spanking new one from
scratch. It really leaves me to wonder, if Carl Peterson didn't meddle
and allowed Herm to rebuild sooner, allowed him to openly interview
outside candidates for the Offensive and Defensive Coordinator
position, and never got rid of Jared Allen, where would the team be
today?
So on the one hand, the Chiefs took longer to rebuild because of
mistakes made during the Carl Peterson era. But credit Herm Edwards for
forcing this team into the right direction and getting the team moving
in the right direction in 2008. It undoubtedly made the switch to a 3-4
much easier. The question is, should Scott Pioli have made that
defensive switch at all? I remember arguing that the Chiefs' 4-3
defense was in such a state of disrepair that it didn't matter if the
Chiefs switched over. In looking back, the Chiefs' defense actually
could have been very good from the get-go. And I'm starting to question
whether switching over to the 3-4 is just another example of Pioli
trying too hard to mold the Chiefs into the Pats' image instead of
building off their strengths or if it really is the approach that will
ultimately yield the superior defense.
The 4-3 Defense That Could Have Been:
First, let's point out the obvious. If Peterson didn't stupidly push
Allen out of Kansas City, the Chiefs would have lined Allen up next to Glenn Dorsey, with Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr shutting down at the corners. Woof. But let's put Jared Allen aside for a moment.
Even without Jared Allen, the Chiefs were in position to draft a few
more playmakers. With their first pick, they could have taken Aaron Curry or Brian Orakpo.
They didn't, in large part because Curry and Orakpo weren't nearly as
attractive options for a 3-4 defense. With the second pick, they could
have taken Rey Maualuga or James Laurinaitis.
The 4-3 defense would have looked something like this (in the most
ideal situation. And yes, I realize that suggesting that the Chiefs
draft Orakpo is a hindsight argument).
Defensive Line: Brian Orakpo - Glenn Dorsey - Tank Tyler - Tamba Hali
LBs: Demorrio Williams - James Laurinaitis - Derrick Johnson
Secondary: Brandon Flowers - Jarrad Page - Bernard Pollard - Brandon Carr
And that's completely disregarding potential free agent pick-ups. I
would think that the Chiefs would have been much more aggressive in
2010, especially with Herm Edwards realizing his job was on the line. I
don't know about you, but that looks like a pretty mean defense,
especially if they had a different, better defensive coordinator
calling the plays.
It's too soon to judge whether Pioli made the right decision to move to a 3-4. I do have some concern as to whether the Patriots'
two-gap version of the defense might be slightly outdated. And I think
what's going to put a lot of pressure on Pioli to build a great 3-4
defense is the consideration of what he sacrificed to move the team
there. The team took a step backward to get to the 3-4---I'm okay with
that point. The question is whether his version of the defense will
fare better than the version he could have built with the pieces the
Chiefs already had. I don't think that's nearly as easy a question to
answer as people think, especially after you take a quick look at that
4-3 lineup that could have been.
Pioli will need to spend the next few years justifying that this was
the right decision. And if that 3-4 defense is nothing short of
spectacular by then, we can legitimately question whether Pioli
destructed a perfectly good, working defense in exchange for an
inferior defense he was more comfortable with.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/13/1249078/will-piolis-3-4-defense-be-better
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PostSubject: Re: If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4   If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4 Empty2010-02-16, 18:00

a whole article on the chiefs? lol DIDNT READ!

but uh.....yea no one cares about the chiefs lol

besides all they need is an offensive line and an actual defense....romeo is a good d coach
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the chiefs are a mess just like oakland both teams are far away from contending, but i think kc will do it sooner than oakland. If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4 Icon_cry
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PostSubject: Re: If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4   If the chiefs stayed with the 4-3, and not switch to the 3-4 Empty2010-02-19, 15:12

thats actually an interesting article, i guess youll never know what could have been. but thats football and lost opportunities happen all the time (music city miracle)
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well now that we know that there will be life after LJ, the chiefs can now focus on aqquiring a wr, and some defensive players
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