Whos better Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?

its a coin flip 2 me. I'd take either one to QB my team. Brady better deep ball Manning is more accurate and reads D better.

PIG BENIS wrote:

[FAMB] Yungboi76 wrote:

Can't go wrong with either one. But the edge goes to Brady. Until I see Peyton make an average offense better, u can't say he is better Tom. Plus Tom is tougher. Tom will step into a throw, take the hit and deliver a strike. Peyton shys away from that type of contact.

You're wrong on all accounts.

1. You don't think the '97 and '98 Colts offense was average? You don't think that Peyton made that average offense better in '99?
2. Brady missed all of last season due to injury, was hurt at the end of '07, and is on the questionable list on every single Patriots injury report. Peyton has missed on SNAP in his whole career.
3. Show me a play where Peyton "shys away" from whatever contact you're talking about. He has a higher career completion percentage than Brady and yet still takes far fewer sacks (Peyton 205 Sacks in 11 seasons, Brady 203 sacks in 9 seasons). Peyton isn't throwing balls away to avoid sacks, he's stepping up and completing the pass before the rush gets there.

1. That offense had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison, no where near average.
2. Getting injured has nothing to do with being tough, part of the game.
3. Between the two QBs peyton is quicker to shy away from contact than Brady.

You are missing the point fam. Like I stated you can't go wrong with either QB. The both are future Hall of Fame QBs. They both are the best at there position. I gave you my reasons on why I like Tom Brady better. Like I said when I see Peyton make an average offense better, then they are on equal footing. Don't care what anyone says Peyton has had weapons around him on offense since he has came into the league. You saw what happen when you gave Tom weapons, he set the league on fire. He broke records, he went undefeated in the regular season and would have won that Super Bowl if his defense didn't let him down.

[FAMB] Yungboi76 wrote:

1. That offense had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison, no where near average.
2. Getting injured has nothing to do with being tough, part of the game.
3. Between the two QBs peyton is quicker to shy away from contact than Brady.

3 Swings, 3 Whiffs.

1. You're right, that offense in '97 with Faulk and Marv WAS nowhere near average. They were far BELOW average. Bottom 1/3 of the league in points scored, total yards, and yards per play. And did I mention they were 3-13? Peyton didn't jurt turn around an average offense, he made the biggest single season turnaround in NFL history. 3-13 to 13-3. You didn't watch the Colts back then, and you probably don't now. Trust me, they SUCKED before Peyton was there. Faulk was nowhere near as good for the Colts as he was for the Rams, and Marvin wasn't much of anything until Peyton came along. SWING. WHIFF.

2. If being tough has nothing to do with staying on the field, then what DOES it mean to you? Peyton is the NFL's ironman. He's missed one SNAP in his 11 year career. How could he be tougher? Injure everyone who hits him? That's just nonesense. SWING. WHIFF.

3. You've never seen either of them "shy away" from contact in some dishonorable, wussy manner. They're friggin' multi million dollar NFL quarterbacks. Either they get hit when they're not looking, or they do their best to turn and not take a square hit that would injure them. Both of them step in and make the throws that they can make. I'd love for you to ask Tom Brady about this. Ask him, "Does Peyton shy away from contact more than you do?" He'd laugh and tell you go **** yourself. SWWWIIIIING! WHIIIFF!

There are plenty of Madden warriors around here, but I'm not too sure how many actual downs of football some of you boys have ever played.

[LOK] devo408 wrote:

BOSTN BEANER wrote:

devo their D is not that old anymore.. our CBs have improved greatly from last season with shawn springs being our #1 instead of ellis hobbs who was decent but not a real #1 CB... we drafted more LBs to help adalius thomas and jarod mayo.. bruschi is getting old but hes the only one that is close to done on our D.. our Dline is killer with ty warren, vince wilfork, and richard seymore, they are all capable of making the probowl... our D is much improved from last year and we are getting younger each of the past 2 seasons.. we lost rodney harrison but this is why we have had Brandon Merriweather in the waiting for the past 3 seasons, im sure hes ready to step in now and play a significant role..

the patriots old d which was so successful was a bunch of guys who werent extremely athletic but there were veteran guys who knew the game real well and were always in the right place at the right time. it seems like now theyre trying to go more athletic and younger and im not sure its gonna work. but i might be proven wrong

they still have the veteran leadership they need with bruschi and richard seymore who have been in the pats starting lineup for years now.. shawn springs is a veteran as well so im sure he will show that veteran leadership when he learns belichicks system.. and as far as u dont know if the younger athletic guys are gona work?? Last years first round pick Jarod Mayo won defencive ROY for us... Belichick knows how to fit people in his system and it will work, everytime someone doubts BB he comes up big and thats whats gona happen with our D this year and brady is comin back with a chip on his shoulder! watch out for this years pats on both sides of the ball!!!

PIG BENIS wrote:

[FAMB] Yungboi76 wrote:

1. That offense had Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison, no where near average.
2. Getting injured has nothing to do with being tough, part of the game.
3. Between the two QBs peyton is quicker to shy away from contact than Brady.

3 Swings, 3 Whiffs.

1. You're right, that offense in '97 with Faulk and Marv WAS nowhere near average. They were far BELOW average. Bottom 1/3 of the league in points scored, total yards, and yards per play. And did I mention they were 3-13? Peyton didn't jurt turn around an average offense, he made the biggest single season turnaround in NFL history. 3-13 to 13-3. You didn't watch the Colts back then, and you probably don't now. Trust me, they SUCKED before Peyton was there. Faulk was nowhere near as good for the Colts as he was for the Rams, and Marvin wasn't much of anything until Peyton came along. SWING. WHIFF.

2. If being tough has nothing to do with staying on the field, then what DOES it mean to you? Peyton is the NFL's ironman. He's missed one SNAP in his 11 year career. How could he be tougher? Injure everyone who hits him? That's just nonesense. SWING. WHIFF.

3. You've never seen either of them "shy away" from contact in some dishonorable, wussy manner. They're friggin' multi million dollar NFL quarterbacks. Either they get hit when they're not looking, or they do their best to turn and not take a square hit that would injure them. Both of them step in and make the throws that they can make. I'd love for you to ask Tom Brady about this. Ask him, "Does Peyton shy away from contact more than you do?" He'd laugh and tell you go **** yourself. SWWWIIIIING! WHIIIFF!

There are plenty of Madden warriors around here, but I'm not too sure how many actual downs of football some of you boys have ever played.

Starting to think you like to hear yourself talk.
1.Don't care what stats you put out there, Peyton has never had an average offense around him. I was watching the colts back then and the reason they were losing games was because of Harbaugh garbage ass and there defense. Faulk and Harrison were still putting up numbers despite there situation. Thats why it was so easy for them to go 3-13 one season and 13-3 the next. The pieces were already in place. All they needed was a QB.

2. Don't know how you equate staying on the field to being tough. I would never miss a game if everytime I touch the rock i dipped out of bounds to avoid a hit or fell to the ground to avoid being hit. In your eyes I would be tough, cause I never missed a game. Lol, right!

3. All that jibberish u spat bout whatever the hell you was talking bout, wasn't needed. Brady will take a hit quicker than Peyton anyday. The fact that they are multi million qbs has nothing to do with it. Its a bunch of qbs getting dollars that shy away from that contact and Peyton happens to be one of them.

Its kind of disrespectful to compare Peyton to Brady. Brady has rings. (plural) Hell Peyton isnt even the 2nd best qb, Big Ben gets that honor. He has rings. (plural) To piss you Manning fans off even more, he isn't the 3rd best neither, LMAO! Drew Brees is. I'll give him the 4th slot, I like his commercials!

[TFH] SdGator wrote:

its a coin flip 2 me. I'd take either one to QB my team. Brady better deep ball Manning is more accurate and reads D better.

just cuz he audibles pre-snap doesnt mean he reads D better.. brady since 01' more attempts less interceptions....

[FAMB] Yungboi76 wrote:

Starting to think you like to hear yourself talk.

1.Don't care what stats you put out there, Peyton has never had an average offense around him. I was watching the colts back then and the reason they were losing games was because of Harbaugh garbage ass and there defense. Faulk and Harrison were still putting up numbers despite there situation. Thats why it was so easy for them to go 3-13 one season and 13-3 the next. The pieces were already in place. All they needed was a QB.

2. Don't know how you equate staying on the field to being tough. I would never miss a game if everytime I touch the rock i dipped out of bounds to avoid a hit or fell to the ground to avoid being hit. In your eyes I would be tough, cause I never missed a game. Lol, right!

3. All that jibberish u spat bout whatever the hell you was talking bout, wasn't needed. Brady will take a hit quicker than Peyton anyday. The fact that they are multi million qbs has nothing to do with it. Its a bunch of qbs getting dollars that shy away from that contact and Peyton happens to be one of them.

Its kind of disrespectful to compare Peyton to Brady. Brady has rings. (plural) Hell Peyton isnt even the 2nd best qb, Big Ben gets that honor. He has rings. (plural) To piss you Manning fans off even more, he isn't the 3rd best neither, LMAO! Drew Brees is. I'll give him the 4th slot, I like his commercials!

Sorry, but you've just lost your NFL discussion privilages. Take a timeout, find someone who understands football, and ask them to teach you the game.

For the rest of you who still have adequate football cognition, even Boston Beaner, who despite his awful writing skills seems to at least follow the sport, let this be a lesson to you that, prior to posting, its best to first put actual analytical thought into what you're about to post. That, my friends, is the first step in message board discussion, and our little buddy "Yungboi" seems to have skipped this step.

The Colts, after the fluke cinderella '95 AFCCG appearance, but prior to the arrival of Peyton Manning, SUCKED. Offensively, defensively, coaching, kicking, punting, selling of tickets, arranging of the parking lots outside the stadium....they SUCKED in all of those categories. Now, you may not be a fan of Peyton Manning, but saying that he just walked on to an already solid offense and reaped the benefits of the foundation that was there before him is like saying that any average NBA shooting guard could've done what Michael Jordan did with the Bulls. That's what we call an asinine thought process.

Furthermore, I shouldn't have to repeat this, because most of us here aren't mentally retarded, but all NFL players are tough. Those that rarely miss games are tougher. Those that haven't missed a game in their entire career are extraordinarily tough. Does this mean that I think Tom Brady is some panty waste little school girl trick for missing the '08 season with a torn ACL? Hell no. He's tough too. But Peyton Manning and Bret Favre, along with several other players, will leave a legacy of toughness in their wakes, purely on the grounds of longevity and consistency. I wasn't an Emmitt Smith fan, but that SOB was tough. He was always ready to play on Sunday, and his career numbers reflect his toughness.

The final, and most ridiculously insulting point that I am now forced to refute is the notion that Peyton Manning OR Tom Brady somehow "avoid hits in a cowardly fashion." This is pure poppycock. The written ramblings of a child whose mother should pull the step stool away from the keyboard. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning play every Sunday and there are no two players in the history of the NFL that opposing defenders would like to hit harder and more often. But despite multiple MVP awards, a Super Bowl Ring, and a passer rating that is regularly above 95, there's a young man here that would contend that Peyton Manning avoids contact more than the typical quarterback, and that's one of the reasons why he is inferior not only to Tom Brady, but also to Big "80 rating" Ben Roethlisberger, and Drew "1 Playoff Win" Brees.

I will apologize in advance for "YungBoi." In the poker game of genetic mental capacity, he was dealt a rough hand.

I'm done, lmao. For you to sit there and say a rookie qb coming into a offense with two hall of famers at key positions isn't a strong foundation is the ramblings of a man that I would consider a ..............penis. (You rep part of your name well) Secondly my comparison in regards to toughness is between Brady and Manning. Brady is a tougher QB than Manning. Where in any of my post did I compare Manning to a typical QB.........um I didn't. I compared his toughness to Brady. Big Ben and Brees was mentioned as my number 2 and 3 qbs in the league behind Brady. I am in no way taking from Manning because he is the real deal. But at the end of the day Brady is a better QB than Manning. The last time I checked for all the accolades Manning gets and that high powered offense he has had around him he only has one ring to show for that. Brady has how many? Three i think, someone correct me if I am wrong, lmao. (It should be four, his defense let him down vs the giants) Let me apologize in advance for "Benis." His thought process is that of a limp penis without viagra ........useless!

If this thread is going to be reduced to personal insults instead of the topic at hand, I strongly suggest locking it.

I don't take any of that personally. Not sure how he feels about it, but we are just debating a topic. His wordplay in the last post in reference to me being a "yungboi" was funny. But if I offended him I have no problem apologizing.

[FAMB] Yungboi76 wrote:

I don't take any of that personally. Not sure how he feels about it, but we are just debating a topic. His wordplay in the last post in reference to me being a "yungboi" was funny. But if I offended him I have no problem apologizing.

Good call. I'm the same way. Just having fun with words, not trying to be an internet bully. Props for keeping things in perspective, Yung.

brady is 4th quarter Die Hard Bruce Willis Tuff. manning is 1-3 qrters King Kong Tuff.

tom brady is better than peyton why 3*RINGS* thats why or i might be wrong cuz peytons defence really let him down the last couple of playoff games they had. (darren sproles breaking a tackle from bob sanders for the winning td in OT) smh but i think peyton is better (lol i changed my mind) he can throw the ball better and the stuff brady did throwing 50 td's in a single season payton threw 49 td's before that 50 by brady so im saying peyton cuz he's ahead of his time the things that brady is doing now peyton already kinda did befor brady except the 3 rings but peyton is better

peyton by far !!! swap the two qb to eachothers team manning would of won 5 rings with moss and that great off line ....brady on the colts would get smash so if brady didny have that line and moss he wouldnt dont much

streetballer209 wrote:

peyton by far !!! swap the two qb to eachothers team manning would of won 5 rings with moss and that great off line ....brady on the colts would get smash so if brady didny have that line and moss he wouldnt dont much

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is this dude right here really tryin to say that brady is garbage?? haha umm do u not remember peyton having wayne, edge, dallas, and marvin on his o?? umm when brady was winnin his super bowls, did he have any of that kind of talent?? i dont believe so.. he didnt have randy when he won his 3 rings.. peyton has always had weapons.. they r always sayin how the colts always draft a new weapon for peyton every year.. dont even TRY to say peyton never had weapons bruh!! get yo facts strait.. i would say that brady had help from the d cuz theyve had good defenses when they won rings.. peytons really never had a top tier d.. thats the only excuse i could see bein logical for maybe give peyton like 1 or 2 rings..

DaTBa1LHaWK wrote:

streetballer209 wrote:

peyton by far !!! swap the two qb to eachothers team manning would of won 5 rings with moss and that great off line ....brady on the colts would get smash so if brady didny have that line and moss he wouldnt dont much

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is this dude right here really tryin to say that brady is garbage?? haha umm do u not remember peyton having wayne, edge, dallas, and marvin on his o?? umm when brady was winnin his super bowls, did he have any of that kind of talent?? i dont believe so.. he didnt have randy when he won his 3 rings.. peyton has always had weapons.. they r always sayin how the colts always draft a new weapon for peyton every year.. dont even TRY to say peyton never had weapons bruh!! get yo facts strait.. i would say that brady had help from the d cuz theyve had good defenses when they won rings.. peytons really never had a top tier d.. thats the only excuse i could see bein logical for maybe give peyton like 1 or 2 rings..

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wow calm down i didnt say bradys garbage and brady had dieon branch and troy brown who was great weapons at the time so dont tell me to get my fact straight and i didnt ssay brady garbage i just said put him on a beat up line like the colts and he wouldnt have great success at peyton did, and put peyton on the pat line !!! peyton would tear it up

haha little kid? i kno more football a hell of a lot more than u if u say that dieon branch and troy brown r ANYWHERE NEAR marvin, reggie and dallas.. peyton has always had more weapons.. i would say brady has in the past 2-3 years when they started pickin up hella WRs.. but we r talkin bout when the pats were winnin rings.. the colts EASILY had more weapons those years.. if u think they dont, leave this site, quit watchin football, quit playin madden and quit thinkin bout football.. that is embarrassing to think sumone thinks dieon branch, troy brown and jabar gaffney r on the same level as marvin, reggie and dallas..

Deion branch and Troy brown were not consistant probowlers like harrison and wayne.. What has deione branch done since leaving NE? Nothing! What has David Patton done since leaving NE? Nothing! Colts also had a bro bowl rb in edge, the pats got by with antoine smith who did nothing before coming to NE... The O Line for NE hasn't always ben great, its bradys quick release and willingness to wait til the last possible second to get rid of the ball.. They are both great at doing that and brady would have been perfectly fine with peytons OLine and all those weapons... I hate when people make such a dumb argument like u know what woulda happened if they had switched teams.. They are both pocket passers, its not like peyton is mobile and that's why the line looked good, the colts only problem ever was their D not their oline.. U should read every argument in this thread cuz every situation has already been argued and I'm not gona go through it again but those two are really interchangeable and they would run each others offences to perfection, that's how good both manning and brady is.. Brady just has haters cuz his coach is belichick..

calm down didnt mean to get u upset my bad but im proving my point , i didnt say once again that peyton wrs where the same as deion branch quit jumping to to conclusion , u said brady had no weapons when he did with dieon branch and troy brown and yes you are right peyton wr are way better but still the point is u said he had no weapons when he did and it was mostly his def that won him the game and if it wasnt for drew bledsoe taking him to the playoff who know what would of happen

Brady took bledsoe to the playoffs.. Bledsoe was hurt in week 3 and never got his job back, we were 0-3 and brady went 11-2 in the regular season to take us to the playoffs and then won us the superbowl..

haha and beaner u are right they where not consistant but they did show up during critical time and yeah i dont know why everyone is gettign up set but its all good im not trying to talk smack on ball hawk !!! he got good points but this is all in my opinion !!! i didnt mean to offend u ball hawk my bad if i did just giving my opinion

streetballer209 wrote:

calm down didnt mean to get u upset my bad but im proving my point , i didnt say once again that peyton wrs where the same as deion branch quit jumping to to conclusion , u said brady had no weapons when he did with dieon branch and troy brown and yes you are right peyton wr are way better but still the point is u said he had no weapons when he did and it was mostly his def that won him the game and if it wasnt for drew bledsoe taking him to the playoff who know what would of happen

bruh i already done said half the s*** u makin arguements for.. i said the pats always had a better d than the colts.. and i said thats the only excuse for peyton over brady.. the only legit excuse.. umm and go read my message.. i said he didnt have the talent at WR that peyton had.. im not jumpin to any conclusions.. if u r guna try to argue wit sumone make sure u read wtf they say.. u brought up dieon and troy when i noted that peyton had more weapons.. ppl dont bring that ish up for no reason.. hahaha and bledsoe took em to the playoffs.. ok but brady finished it for em.. thats another excuse to undermine brady.. u forgot to mention that vinetieri or whatever won all those superbowls for em too.. every other person in the world uses that excuse when tryin to make peyton sound better..

u aint offend nobody.. u just use all the same lame excuses all the other ppl that think peyton is better use.. only legit one is the defense.. but all im doin is statin facts and tellin u to give brady more respect than to say he wouldnt b as good as he is is he was on the colts

i know what ur saying hawk but i like peyton better but brady is still right there with him