Black QB's disapearing

If you stuck Reggie bush at qb he would be just like vick when you throw just launch and prey and when you run take off

ll- Fudgy -ll wrote:

um is mcnabb disappearing?

case closed!

If he leaves the pocket his legs might...

Vick could somewhat throw, but not good enuff to be an NFL QB if he wasn't as fast as he was.

Fudopi wrote:

But he couldn't pass for s***.

And this is coming from the kid who used to be his biggest fan.

I had all three Jerseys, and autographed rookie card, multiple posters, and tons of falcons shirts.

he could throw... but only to crumpler!

kc killa jr wrote:

Fudopi wrote:

But he couldn't pass for s***.

And this is coming from the kid who used to be his biggest fan.

I had all three Jerseys, and autographed rookie card, multiple posters, and tons of falcons shirts.

he could throw... but only to crumpler!

Sad but true...

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duketango wrote:

Big Savage wrote:

Jacory Harris FR QB Miami Hurricanes
Terrelle Pryor FR QB Ohio State
Tyrod Taylor SO QB VaTech
Jerrod Johnson JR QB Texas A&M

Theirs still alot of black QBs who could play at the next level.

DON"T forget PINKNEY!!!!!!

they are not disappearing they all just run the option and pro scouts do not want option QB.

Tebow is overrated Locker will be much better.

go back to last year everyone is like 20 TD pass 20 TD running...

how many times did he take a step forward and throw it deep to harvin on those TDs...

not many college corners got harvin's speed.

Remember UGA game and Michigan game he ran into those lb and got clocked. He played pretty bad to..

Imagine him running head on into Ray Lewis Urlacher or one of those guys how many shots from them will he live??[center]

I agree that there are so many option style offenses in college. Best bet is to go to a program that runs a pro style offense

i know they were a lethel combo haha

u wont be a qb if u cant throw...vick had a pretty ball one of the best thrown in the league...out of the mobile qb's these days donavan mcnabb has the ugliest ball...neveer a spiral but has the arm to get it anywhere he needs too..i believe the only qb that cant throw is vince young...AND i hope yall arent confusing cant throw to throwing picks or not throwing at all...caus believe me if the nfl thinks u cant throw u wont be a qb....this is not a black or white qb thing to me there are mobile qb's that are white like romo cutler burger garcia..they may not be the vicks vinces or gerrards but i jus honestly think the college ranks are doing a disservice to the mobile qb's by the way they are playing them...look at the pats and eagles offense to run the spread shot gun look not the zone read play all game

mcnabb is also the best of the black qb's in the league. i dont care if he dont throw a spiral he slings it all over the field and for a high percentage. hes a top 5 qb when he is healthy, maybe higher

i saw a comment by someone.. cant remember who... but... they talked about... "colleges using these players to win and not developing them for the league"...

i have a major disagreement with anyone who thinks this... let me ask you this... go to ANY NFL roster... and look at the nice smooth blend of D1 D1AA and D2 athletes on any NFL roster...

what am i saying? NO college coach will ever hang his career on developing guys for "the league"... its pointless... as a scout... i can vouch for this... your stats... your system... everything about you from your playing days is only 50% of why you get picked up...

your individuals... privates... team sessions... and for those that are forced to do combines... those also... ALLL factor in on the final rating... and that simple rating will determine where you go...

AND also to the original poster... TOD REESING/ CHASE DANIELS/ TIM TEBOW/ COLT MCCOY/ among others... are ALLLLLLLL MOBILE...

brother... it AINT a black thing... these guys are all mobile... are they 4.4 speed... not by any means... but they can move... AND throw... and throw VERY WELL...

these very comments and ideas and preconcieved notions... are what divides sports still to this day...

i can see an argument from maybe "GETTING TO COLLEGE" but.. once you are on the main stage... if you dont go to the league... its nobody's fault but your own...

if we ever see a move of the SPREAD COAST or SPREAD OPTION like Chip Kelly runs in Oregon in the NFL... then yeah we might see some boost of the "black" mobile QB... but whats the point when the middle LB runs the same speed as your fastest guy on your team???? this is why i am a college fanatic... and dont really get into the pros... i mean i watch NFL... but i watch it more at playoff time and such... to someone like me who is an offense nut... watching the guys on sunday is like watching a boring chess match...

so... its not a black thing... its a scheme thing... its a methodology... if you are a FAST mobile QB in college... then you better spend 3 of your 4 years there tuning in your cannon... b/c your legs are worthless in the NFL... everyone in skilled position runs a 4.6 or under...

"E'

GRIDIRONxGURU wrote:

i saw a comment by someone.. cant remember who... but... they talked about... "colleges using these players to win and not developing them for the league"...

i have a major disagreement with anyone who thinks this... let me ask you this... go to ANY NFL roster... and look at the nice smooth blend of D1 D1AA and D2 athletes on any NFL roster...

what am i saying? NO college coach will ever hang his career on developing guys for "the league"... its pointless... as a scout... i can vouch for this... your stats... your system... everything about you from your playing days is only 50% of why you get picked up...

your individuals... privates... team sessions... and for those that are forced to do combines... those also... ALLL factor in on the final rating... and that simple rating will determine where you go...

AND also to the original poster... TOD REESING/ CHASE DANIELS/ TIM TEBOW/ COLT MCCOY/ among others... are ALLLLLLLL MOBILE...

brother... it AINT a black thing... these guys are all mobile... are they 4.4 speed... not by any means... but they can move... AND throw... and throw VERY WELL...

these very comments and ideas and preconcieved notions... are what divides sports still to this day...

i can see an argument from maybe "GETTING TO COLLEGE" but.. once you are on the main stage... if you dont go to the league... its nobody's fault but your own...

if we ever see a move of the SPREAD COAST or SPREAD OPTION like Chip Kelly runs in Oregon in the NFL... then yeah we might see some boost of the "black" mobile QB... but whats the point when the middle LB runs the same speed as your fastest guy on your team???? this is why i am a college fanatic... and dont really get into the pros... i mean i watch NFL... but i watch it more at playoff time and such... to someone like me who is an offense nut... watching the guys on sunday is like watching a boring chess match...

so... its not a black thing... its a scheme thing... its a methodology... if you are a FAST mobile QB in college... then you better spend 3 of your 4 years there tuning in your cannon... b/c your legs are worthless in the NFL... everyone in skilled position runs a 4.6 or under...

"E'

GREAT POST BRO! COULDNT AGREE MORE

well ncaa guru i think u were talkin about me and my post...if u go back u would see that i specifically said this isnt a racial thing to me this is the fact that in my opinion college coaches arent coaching the mobile qb to become a well balance qb...there are some exceptions to this BUT to me the spread offense where al most half the offense is zone read is rediculous and is doing a disservice to the athletes caus wen they get to the next level they are expecte to kkno coverages and only have to adjust to the speed of the game...there is a difference in mobile qb and a running qb in my opinion...a running qb can outrun lb's and d line like tebow ummm im drawing a blank but the qb from west virginia and juice williams the freshmen qb from washingtion LOCKER and terrel pryor and than mobile qb's that are good on rollouts like REESING DANIELS AND MCCOY....so if ppl agree with me then maybe we should cahnge this to the running qb's disappearing...the new offenses in college kinda take advantage of there athletic ability and not showing then how to throw and read the coverage instead of the reading the d line for running lanes

what's happening? The coaches aren't teaching these guys how to go through their progressions they are taught for the most part to read one side, if no one is open haul butt, instead of them teaching them to read one side and then have a backside read. Imo if you want to get a good grasp on how to play qb in the nfl you need play for Norm Chow, David Cutcliff, or the byu coach these guys run systems where you have to know whats going on all over the field its the way they coach or groom their qbs. Maybe to some extent Cal's coach Tedford i forgot about charlie Weiss.

i agree bsox 100% thats wat i was tryna say....there are good qb's coming out this year and probably next year but the black qb is disappearing for some odd reason...i think wen qb's like leftwhich start coming out and not these super duper athletic guys who are taken advantage up...coming out of high school these players should be positioned how the league would position them like pat white will be used like randel el or he will sit on the bench like seneca wallac...the days or cordell stewart are over qb in college used as a wr then back to qb in the pros...mcnabb and gerrard are the last 1's standing...maybe tavaris jackson and vince young will get there head out of there asses and study and try and get better instead of getting by caus the league is too fast an too smart for all that...i say 3 years and we will see where those players are at

Warren Moon

1978-2000

CFL/NFL

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The truth is if Warren Moon would have been allowed to play in the NFL instead of having to prove himself first in the CFL. We would not be talking about Bret Favre and all of his records. Black Qb's disappearing. NEVER!!! If anything over the next five years you will see more mobile Qb's black and white. As d-lineman and linebackers continue to get faster, bigger, and stronger you will see the game start to evolve. Ask Tom Brady what happened to his slow ass in the Super Bowl. Ask Peyton Manning what happened to his slow ass in every AFC championship til he finally made it to the Super Bowl. The truth is if you attack the line of scrimmage effectively there is nothing a pocket passer can do except for tear some knee ligament or get a damn concussion. If the NFL was not ran similar to corporate America then Black Qb's would be more prominent.

If you really want a topic of discussion ask yourself this. Why do white Qb's get more chances to fail or succeed than black QB's. IE see: Kyle Boller, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, and so many more. All first round picks and so called Golden Boys!! LOL!!!!!!!!! Please these guys have got chance after chance. Take Jamarcus Russell for example in his first full season and training camp. The media is already taking polls about him being a bust. Honestly fellas, the league or America does not want to see a black man play QB (mobile or pocket)

lol i can see that point lol...i think that the thing is wen coaches try something new like a mobile qb if it doesnt work off the bat then its gotta be scrapped and back to wat "works" the old stuff...college has already shown its wide range offense formations and plays and granted some of that play ground s*** wont work in the nfl but look at the wildcat offense of miami...but at the same time wat till D coordinators get there hand on the tap an how to stop it next year it wont be as affective....anyways the black mobile qb is at a decline right now and honestly dont think it will be back to where it was wen we had mcnair mcnabb leftwhich moon stewart playing because like ive said in previous posts its the college levels fault for not giving these athletes the tools and its the league coaches fault for not adapting there offense to there personnel and forcing these guy to play the slow game.