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PostSubject: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 13:41

okay so im curious to know what you guys use, im curious to know if people really run base 3-4 or 4-3 scheme's anymore or if everyone is on the other formations in books like the 4-4, 46, odd-split, 2-4-5 etc.... this is not what formation is better it is what do you use out of the two, and when i say 4-3 vs. 3-4 i thats exactly what i mean im not talkin 4-4, odd-split, or 46 im talkin do you run a 3-4 base defense or a 4-3 base defense so the actual 3-4 & 4-3 formations and plays let me know what you guys run, ill start it out.

i run a legit 4-3 scheme i use all three formations over, under, & normal each one brings something different and unique to the table.

*if there are enough guys that run 4-3 base scheme's like actually use the 4-3 formations ill do a writeup on the 4-3 and explain my 4-3 scheme and thinking but if not that many people run it i wont as i want to make posts that help as many people on this site as i can.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 13:53

i use the 3-4 more i just like having more coverage and you can have better nanos
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 14:01

3-4

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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 14:02

I run the 46 as my base scheme. I have always tried to get into the 3-4, but the jags have never had the personnel to run it effectively.

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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 14:46

3-4 w/ the panthers
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 15:02

3-4 all day. Im not someone who nanos or blitzes very much. I count alot on zone coverage. I try to play 4-3 every year but always end up with my 3-4. I find there is too many gaps in 4-3 zone. Where in 3-4 I can drop 3 or 4 extra linebackers back into coverage.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 15:06

I run the 3-4. The 3-4 allows me to be more agressive letting me bring some faster guys and having excellent coverage. The downfall is when I do not blitz the 3 man rush doesn't get pressure. I'm a sim guy as everyone knows so the blitzes I have aren't nanos but overloads and bringing more blitxers than the offense has blockers. With the 3-4 u can flatten out the coverage and still bring 5 rushers and overloading 1 side of the line is less noticable.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 16:28

well im gonna have to be the odd one out here cause i use a 4-3 playbook in TEN however i use mostly 4-4 but i still mix in some 4-3 if i am having trouble against someone who can beat my 4-4 which usually isnt too often but still i like having it to switch it up if i need to...i would definitely be interested in learning some more about the 4-3 because i dont feel like i put it to use as much as i could be doing because i don't think im as comfortable with knowing how to set it up effectively like i am with the 4-4
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 19:37

seems like alot of people are rollin 3-4 wich was expected i just wanted to see how many 4-3 users were out there, looks like were a dying breed, i dont plan on switching to the 3-4 anytime soon, not beacuse its not good beacuse it is, but beacuse its not me and the ealges just really dont fit in a 3-4 scheme IMO, they are a perfect fit in the 4-3 & 4-4, its cool to see everyones views on it though, appreciate it guys!
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 21:08

ive tried so hard, but i cant get into the 4-3. i just cant run it. the messed up part is i cant run the 3-4 either...so not to go against the question but, i run 4-4 and alot of odd split, nickle, and goalline
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 21:56

i use 4-3 every once in a while, but mainly because its in the 46 playbook. great change of pace
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 21:57

BRB any tips on the 4-3 outta the TEN book since you use it too? I just don't even know where to start
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-10, 23:27

MiamiXCanes wrote:
ive tried so hard, but i cant get into the 4-3. i just cant run it. the messed up part is i cant run the 3-4 either...so not to go against the question but, i run 4-4 and alot of odd split, nickle, and goalline

aye whatever works right?! i cant knock ya for it, those are good formations, i was just was tryina get a feel for what people tend to run, seems like there's alot of 3-4 guys, its all good though.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-11, 02:10

I run TENN's PB. I run more 4-3 than 4-4 though. I only run 4-4 about 15% of the game.

4-3 My Run D is top notch, I never ever allow more than 50 yards rushing even if they are a goal line abuser. Pass D is a little tricky with 4-3, you just gotta mix it up and hope for an INT.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-11, 02:51

i run the 3-4 but i was a pretty big 4-3 guy for a bit, till i started playing with the ravens religiously then i made the permanent switch.


also i was looking through espn.com the other day and i thought i read that the eagles were switching to the 3-4. it also might have been the redskins and i got confused cause of the whole mcnabb trade, but im pretty sure one of them is making the switch.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-11, 03:29

ticklemeelmo wrote:
i run the 3-4 but i was a pretty big 4-3 guy for a bit, till i started playing with the ravens religiously then i made the permanent switch.


also i was looking through espn.com the other day and i thought i read that the eagles were switching to the 3-4. it also might have been the redskins and i got confused cause of the whole mcnabb trade, but im pretty sure one of them is making the switch.

its the skins i believe, the eagles dont have a NT for a 3-4 they have good OLB's for a 3-4 scheme but sean mcdermott in the post mini camp said they will stay true to thier base scheme (4-3), he feels like if they stay true to thier base scheme they'll have more success than say if they switched to a 3-4, the eagles do things backwards alot of the time they get the prototypical 3-4 OLB's and put thier hands on the ground and let them rush the passer from there, i mean antonio dixon is 6'3 322 lbs. but he's not a 2 gap nose, he's a 4-3 DT, i dono that bunk could hold up in the midde as a nose either, but im pretty sure you read it about the skins goin to the 3-4 cuz i know they are for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-11, 23:59

ticklemeelmo wrote:
i run the 3-4 but i was a pretty big 4-3 guy for a bit, till i started playing with the ravens religiously then i made the permanent switch.


also i was looking through espn.com the other day and i thought i read that the eagles were switching to the 3-4. it also might have been the redskins and i got confused cause of the whole mcnabb trade, but im pretty sure one of them is making the switch.

it was the skins... thats why hanesworth has his diaper in a bustle...
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 09:12

I don't refer myself as a 4-3 user, i refer to myself as a 4 down lineman user. I can convert a Nickel or Dime into a 4-3 type. My favorite formation is 4-3 over. Every formation i use defensively i create a 4-4. Denver is perfect for it and they have yet to let me down.

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If i play a team like Philly or Oakland or teams with speedy WR's. I put Goodman at FS and Smith at CB1.

I shift the LB's to the left and shift to d-line to the right to kind of protect me and bring Barrett in the box. Any 4-3 user, look into Zip shoot gut, it's an amazing play
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 10:56

wait. if they have speedy wide outs you take champ out from the number 1 corner....and Dawkins is number 2 damn wtf but if it works for u then i guess its ok
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 14:42

Champ Bailey is always on the field. What are you talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 15:01

4-3 for a change of pace from 4-4
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 16:14

I'm having a terrible time defending the pass lately with 4-3.. my last two opponents have gone 18/21 and 19/22.
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-12, 17:44

Do you drop lineman? That's the key to the 4-3. The 4-3 zone blitzing is way better than the 3-4 zone blitzing. In the NFL they don't drop lineman though
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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-13, 20:06

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PostSubject: Re: 4-3 vs. 3-4   2010-05-13, 23:24

wow, dawks at cb eh? im gonna check that shiz out... hows his man coverage rating?
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